Muslim who raped girl, 13, not jailed because his “religion doesn’t teach that sex with a child is wrong” (PICTURED)

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  1. Aleeyu BN says:

    Islam will never allow fornication. He committed a sin and its made public because he’s Muslim. Islam protects women. Islam elevates women. If you know Arab history and Islam well you will understand what I mean. Never have I seen or heard that in Islam ‘women are no more worthy than a lollipop that has been dropped on the ground’. Fornication is a MAJOR sin in Islam. And prophet Muhammad(saw) stressed that people should respect women, especially our mothers.

    • british shaun says:

      Thank you for this information, personally I don’t believe in racist I’m not racist but I believe this crime he should be sentence to justice Muslim or British any race if they do something illegal in any country they should get justice for the crime they commit.

      • neil says:

        we are taught that ignorance is no excuse in law.. period. if a white british guy has sex with an under-age girl he has met at a night club whom appears to be of consenting age ie over 18 infact night club age,, he has still committed a crime of statutory rape, wether he knew or not , even if the girl lied about her age and fooled the door staff at the club… .. this excuse that is given in defence for this person is less than anything even remotely adequate, and he should be acountable to the full terms of law in this land.. where is the justice for white britain.. and i am not racist!!!!!!

    • Annie says:

      Let’s see what Islam actually says:

      Sunan of Abu Dawud, volume 2, #2116″Aisha said, “The Apostle of Allah married me when I was six years old. He had intercourse with me when I was 9 years old.”

      Muhammed had sex (raped) a little 4th grader.

      “Then the apostle sent Sa-d b. Zayd al-Ansari, brother of Abdu’l-Ashal with some of the captive women of Banu Qurayza to Najd and he sold them for horses and weapons.” (Ibn Ishaq/Hisham/Hisham 693)

      Muhammed sold women!

      “O Allah’s Apostle! We get female captives as our share of booty, and we are interested in their prices, what is your opinion about coitus interruptus?” The Prophet said, “Do you really do that? It is better for you not to do coitus interruptus. A soul that which Allah has destined to exist will surely come into existence.” (Bukhari 34:432)

      Muhammed let his men rape captive women before selling them and said go ahead and ejaculate sperm into them!

      Tabari I:280 “Allah said, ‘It is My obligation to make Eve bleed once every month as she made this tree bleed. I must also make Eve stupid, although I created her intelligent.’ Because Allah afflicted Eve, all of the women of this world menstruate and are stupid.”

      Islam says women are stupid.

      There’s lots more like this. People, read the Quran and hadiths.

      • Jesus says:

        Not one quote is from the Quran. The only Hadith of any value is the Bukhari one. Equivalent quotations can be found in any of the Abrahamic religions.
        If you rape a woman and get caught, according to the Torah you can pay the father 25 Shekels and then the woman has to be married to you for the rest of your life. Deutronomy.

        • motke says:

          Jesus, how much stupid you have to be. It doesn’t matter what is written in jews bible. No one is insisting to do it today, vs the 7 century barbaric tribes.
          You just look how to insult jews, it will not help you. You will keep living with these barbarian tribes.

        • rachel says:

          Ya, I have to agree on this point… you can’t just copy and paste random texts you find into translators, because the meaning of words are lost in translation. In fact, the entire way the east processes and perceives information in their brains is completely different than the west, so you might as well stop being an ignorant dick and start listening to your muslim brothers and sisters. You have to meet somewhere in the middle with a little something us humans call understanding.

          • Chester Chessington Esq VIII says:

            The only thing I understand is that this person has committed a crime which, had I committed it I would spend 7 years in prison, while he has been let off with less than a slap on the wrist. I don’t care what is written in the bible the Quran or any other religious texts as they have no baring what so ever on the laws of our country.

            I am disgusted with the way our country has leaned towards treating native British as second class to the immigrant families that have landed here over the last 50 odd years through fear of offending them.

            And before I am accused of being racist or whatever I believe all people who live in this or any country should be treated as equals and all should adhere to the laws of the land – which this person obviously has not done.

      • Sobia says:

        You are pathetic, and how dare you make false accusation about Islam, you don’t even understand the religion read the Quran properly then you will understand the true meaning of woman in Islam and how Allah had given them such a high statest, ever mother in our religion (Islam) has paradise under there feet, god has made every daughter a blessing in a family there statest is so high you will not get more respect for a woman in any other religion than Islam so how bloody dare you put down my religion!!! And for this stupid boy who calls himself a Muslim after doing what he did and then blaming his own religion for the teaching is pathetic even tho he has lived in Britain for so long he should know the law!!!! This is nothing to do with religion our religion is all about peace and treating our woman fairly!!!

        • D says:

          Can you explain why Saudi Arabia (an Islamically dominant country) is so oppressive of women then? Seeing as Islam originated from the East I’m sure their ways must be more right than you say it is over here.

        • dean says:

          I think you are all missing the point…..regardless of the religion/colour or the person the british law system demands all people be treated equally so this judgement is a joke and nothing more than a judge trying to cover his own arse and failing.

          And as for people claiming islam/judaism treat women poorly you have to understand the torah and quran may not speak highly of women in every scripture but all three of the religions jewish/muslim/christian are based on the same god and faith system with different interpritations and all 3 state both man and woman are equal under god.

          Maybe if you all stopped looking for differences youd see were the same.

          This lad is a rapist…..not a muslim rapist just a rapist who happens to be muslim just as the yorkshire ripper just happened to be christian.

          Open your eyes people!!!

        • Syeda says:

          Thank you for this reply. Spot on! These people are saying wrong things about Islam n our prophet pbuh. Totally biased and without any authentic research.

        • syeda says:

          Great reply! Thank you for putting some real sence into the matter.

      • Shanna says:

        You stupid bitch where did you find this nonsense from

    • The so-called judge is probably a pedophile and therefore thinks by not sentencing this rapist, he feels less guilty for his own molesting of children!

    • Russell says:

      I lived and grew up in the middle east and much of what you say is believable. But I have a number of alarming issues with this case; 1. The lollipop comment didn’t come from nowhere. From watching a couple of documentaries in the past and hearing first hand what some of these weird imams teach, I can only believe that the ‘lollipop’ comment was most probably aimed at describing the level at which Islam views white western girls/women, British in this case, in comparison to Muslim girls/women. 2. The school has not been named for legal reasons, pull the other one. Schools all over the country are regularly named in criminal cases. 3. This case highlights that Muslim faith schools are not teaching the right values and are found to be lacking in educational standards in some subjects, thus they should either be monitored extremely closely by the authorities or be banned. Personally, I think that these ‘closed community’ faith schools should be banned, as, in my view, they are obviously churning out children who are ignorant of and have a warped sense of British values and common decency. 4. I have always known since I was at school that ignorance is not a plea in court. Both my parents and the education system taught me this. If Islam teaches that having sex with a 13 year old is ok, then we have a problem. If it doesn’t teach this, then he knew very well that what he was doing was wrong. Personally, I think this whole story of him being naïve is BS. This 18 year old has blamed his Islamic education and its twisted teachings to get himself off… and it worked. The relatively recent exposure of the sexual grooming of young white ‘lollipop’ girls by men seems to be rife, alive and well, in the Pakistani Muslim community. The Muslim community in Britain needs to take a long hard look inwards at itself and ask some serious questions, like is it time we fully integrated properly into British life and accept the values of its society. If the answer to this question is anything but a yes, then I cannot see a future for in Britain for those that would say no. One law for ALL.

      • Jordan says:

        Your comment is brilliant. Hit the nail on the head there. Muslims think because they have numbers they have power when atleast 50% of their followers are somewhere in ditches praying for a better next life. They think they can become supremacists but yet the media is still in control. West will always prevail.

    • Paul says:

      The young girl wasn’t his mother!

    • fred says:

      The Muslim faith controls, abuses, condemns women. It condones rape, allows abuse to girls, deems women worthless. Just saying a thing doesn’t make it true. Oh and my school didn’t teach me that forcing myself on a girl and having illegal immoral sex was bad but I didn’t do it anyway. If this school is so closed why is it part of the British community, oh yes it isn’t …. Sick of all these Islamic excuses Britain is not Iraq/ Aphganistan or Pakistan our laws are laid down to give justice to all not a select few formed in the minds of people who believe they hear God!!

    • tracie burke says:

      It’s been made public because an 18 year old man had sex with a little girl and got away with it! Not because he is Muslim!

    • Lexi says:

      Islam protects women? Don’t make me laugh.

    • ged says:

      Yeah mo…had sex wi aiesha how old was she? Hypocrisy and islam go hand in hand. Don’t other rapists get reported on ,if you get your head out of your a..e you will find that they do and also get jail .where this dirty perversed child molesting rapist should be . Islamic school certainly taught him right, lovely to know this.theres one thing though the girl who he raped was alot older than aiesha. Next you will be telling me that he needs compensation as the girl seduced him(paedo rapists words)he is a product of Islam. Brainwashed from birth ..I laugh every day. .cos I know thousands of Muslims have died.and there’s no virgins up there for em .let’s think about things here how old is the earth. ?how many millions of years old and islam is how old 1400 years. Mmm I think why do we even listen to you.



    • milo dee says:

      Protects women!?!? If a wife disobeys her husband you should…?

    • yoshi'taku says:

      Go on to YouTube and search woman killed for wearing a red coat…. All you retards that believe they elevate ‘ women ‘ read your book again and realise that in Islam man is and always will be beneath man….

    • DIXIE SISTER says:

      Didn’t your prophet marry and have sex with a nine year old. Only in Islamic teachings is that considered ok. I’ve heard many times a woman is considered less then a man. Doesn’t it take the word of two or more women to equal the word of one man. A woman being put to death for being raped don’t sound like respect.

    • alice says:

      You see, with this kind of act comitted by a muslim and the way he was taugh to see women!!!! And then you guys get upset when others question that religion!! Nooo you cant and you shouldnt blame us for questioning or saying negatives things about that so call islamic religion!!

  2. Haruna Aliyu says:

    Is it d teachings of d school he went to or the teachings of Islam,because there is a serious punishment for that in the Holy Qur'an

  3. Jak Clark says:

    Disgusting – did he live in a basement when not at school?

  4. salihu kwairanga says:

    This story is misleading and malicious. The girl according to the judge was willing… Does that sound like a rape? Moreover putting emphasis on the fact that he is a muslim is wrong. Islam is against all these immoral and despicable acts even when committed willingly and where it is a rape the punishment is very severe.

    • Y! Editor Copy says:

      Sex with a minor is rape under the law. Whether the minor was willing or not. Under the law, minors cannot give consent. Thank you.

      • tlw says:

        Once they turn 13 they can, then it becomes unlawful sex with a minor.
        Either way what a vile creature he is and what a sneaky stunt to pull to get off with it…

    • D says:

      It is called statotory rape. It means it is rape before the law no matter if the 15 year old got naked jumped on you took off your pants and then put it into her. Still rape.

    • steve says:

      It is a muslim school teaching horrible values and to be honest his family not having taught any values to him at all makes them horrible parents or the other option is he is demon spawn playing the system to avoid being punished. Either way the law is the law and it applies to all and religion does not trump it.

    • muzzie hater says:

      Sex with a minor you idiot.. it doesnt matter if she was willing or not. As he had sex with a 13 year old he is a paedophile.. end of.

    • Paul says:

      Salihu in Britain a 13 year old girl is classed as a child therefore she cannot be expected to make adult decisions for herself. I’m not against this because he is of Muslim faith but because any adult having intercourse with a child is a peadofile. These are set in stone laws and apply to anyone who is in this country when they commit this offence. The fact he has used his faith to excuse himself from this crime is the only reason I hope this is highlighted in the press as it is. The judge who has passed this sentence is an imbecile and not fit to judge another person in his life,he is far detached from reality if he can justify this, also the lad himself has been seriously let down in his upbringing by his school, community and parents if he thinks this behaviour is ok. This is not a Muslim problem it’s a world problem, women are not pieces of meat they are equal to men in every way and should be given the respect they deserve in work, life and the bedroom it’s about time we stood up for our Mums, sisters, children,I should know I am raising them myself! It is time for all communities to punish this crime and please don’t defend it by saying she was willing it sounds ridiculous. You don’t need to defend him because he is Muslim,your religion doesn’t need defending, live your life with your family, be happy and worship that’s the real thing that’s worth defending.

  5. Muhammad abubakar says:

    raping is absolutely a huge crime in Islam punishable by death, I think the judge was ignorant of Islamic laws or, was deliberately trying to castigate Islam in any case it is a crime to rape in Islam

    • cash guru says:

      So why is rape so common amongst muslim ment then?

    • woody says:

      There is only one law in England. It has nothing to do with Islam or any other religion.

    • Chris says:

      Islam is full of this-the leader (curse be upon him) was a child molester and that is why his followers do these evil deeds. The whole evil Islam religion stinks and is a stain upon humanity! Anyone following this evil stuff should be ashamed of themselves.

    • we need the war against the evil cult that is islam to start now…and the believers of this evil cult should be driven back to where god put them…in a desert away from decent people..this way little non muslim girls will not be raped by the believers of this evil cult…..look at the believers of this cult in northern english towns…they’ve raped 1000’s………..

  6. Abdurrahman B. says:

    This case has nothing to do with Islamic school he attended,is just the boy committed an offence which is punishable by law,but the assertion made that the teachings of Islam are unusual education is not correct. Islam states everything clearly that the youngest man can ever understand than any other teaching. So do not associate what is wrong to its teachings,because Islamic teaching are the complete way of life.

    • edward savage says:

      You cannot argue that it’s not the teachings misgivings or not. The judge obviously had no idea about the Muslim religion, and why should he? It clearly isn’t his own, so why waste time learning something of no importance but to child rapists.

  7. Zaman Adamov says:

    what school is that? He comitted adultry, which is punishable in Islam. In Islam it clearly states what marriage is and what sexual relationship with a wife. The reason they are not mentioning the schools name becoz the story is fake. IF Muslims find out there is a school teaching this they will burn it down. This is another way, cheap way, a played out way to hurt Islam. Even non Muslims can pick up a copy of Quran and read what Muslims say and do when it comes to sex. I bet this guy is not even a muslim. And what law takes this as an exuse. This whole story is made by a 14 year old who just discovered he hates Islam.

  8. solomon ahgo says:

    the judge said ”i agree that the girl was quite willing to have sex with you” meaning it was consentual not rape so please change the heading.
    However i thought ignorance was (is) not an excuse in the court of law

  9. tally says:

    That is a big fat lie, we all know that Islam forbids sex without marriage so that makes him liable.

  10. yahuza salis says:

    Innalillahi wa inna Ilaihi raji’un. This is un Islamic,and thats why we(muslims) agains teaching our youngs sex education,because practice must be done this is for the sex edu. Legally this young chap committed a sinful act thats having sex with out marriage even if the two party agreed upon (ie thier case)in Islam the punishment of such act is 100 lashes to each publically. How ever,I wonder what type of school he attended and who are the teachars?are they muslims?do they master the Holy Quran and sunnah of our Rasuul?I doubt either becouse a good muslim will never command such act nor will he comfired woman value with lollypoop.its Islam that give them full freedom from burrying them alive into living,to be respected been mothers,to cover their body to protect them selves for been attacked or RAPED.anyway thats the problem that we muslim are encountring non Muslims are always Missunderstanding the concept of Islam,gradually the truth shall set us free. Read more about islam you can judge anything your self. MAY ALLAH PROTECT US AND GUIDE US AMEEN

  11. jaafar says:

    People commit rape but why must the article link his faith and his ignorance about it.
    I don’t think there is any religion or way of life that cherish,protect women like ISLAM as evidence by the life of the prophet(S.A.W)
    And there is appropriate punishment for adulterers and fornication.



    • lana says:

      In Sharia law they would both be punished,
      This is GREAT BRITAIN,PLUS the girl WASNT muslim, so why would she be take 100 lashes?
      Sharia Law is outdated, Immoral, And goes against Human rights,
      Rape is Rape,, At 18 he is an adult, at 13 she is a child..
      he didnt live in a cave, If he knew to buy condoms, knew how to put one on, knew how to have intercourse, Then he definitely knew he shouldn’t be having sexual encounters with a minor.
      as its against the Law and his Religion..
      No excuse,,so dont try to condone what he done.

  13. avnrulz says:

    As I have said before, “Welcome to Englandistan.” In the States, ‘ignorance of the law is no excuse.’

  14. Paula A. R. DeAngelis, PhD says:

    This is what happens when Mohammadans are allowed into Western cultures. Mohammad was himself a paedophile and the spawn of satan. KEEP THESE VERMIN OUT OF THE WEST OR, IF YOU MUST, ANNIHILATE THEM.

      • The One Who KNows says:

        Realist. Islam is not a true religion. It is a twisted political machine not unlike Nazism or the Japanese Warrior fantasies extinguished in 1945 designed to subjugate the World. It allows no tolerance. Failure to recognize that is to ignore reality. Doubt me? Go to anywhere is the Muslim world or in many parts of Paris or London.

        • Bearded_Realist says:

          No true scotsman fallacy. Islam is a religion whether you like it or not. It is a religion of warfare, mysoginy and hatred, much like catholicism. You will probably disagree with me, but that would reveal that you’ve yet to read the bible and the qu’ran.

        • Crysta says:

          Much of christianity is just as guilty… The bible is not much better than the qaran…

          Let it all burn, and return to mother earth!

          • Ann Inquirer says:

            Not within the realm of reality to say “not much better” when Christ came to redeem and turn the other cheek, That is not “cherry picking” either.

  15. BLRII says:

    What about the girl? No justice for her violation? Was she really “happy” to have sex with him — and doesn’t the fact that she’s a child make the choice null and void? And what will this decision say to muslim men in this rapist’s age group? And why isn’t the judge insisting that the muslim school teach that women are valuable or CLOSE THEIR DOORS?

  16. Libby P says:

    Disgusting. Premeditated sexual act (booking hotel in advance) and classic ‘blame the victim’ mentality. How on earth do you expect to stamp out this rising trend of Muslim rape and paedophilia BY NOT MAKING AN EXAMPLE OF THIS INDIVIDUAL. How can this judge sleep at night!

  17. Susan Ross says:

    There are things that are INHERENTLY WRONG. Rape, murder. (Malum in se) these are things that are against the laws of nature. It has NOTHING to do with religion. Lawyers need to stop defending these scum and help put them away instead of back on the street to do it again. People know it is wrong. Ignorance of a law (malum prohibitum). You need to read and keep up with current laws.

    • Susan says:

      The next thing this guy does is rape again. Then he will end up being one of those people who blows himself up. If this kind of crap starts happening in Canada like it is happening in Britain, then the fanatics will win. You don’t think that every time this sort of thing happens where the fanatics get an edge up and defeat the court systems that have been in place for hundreds of years, that they don’t claim this as a victory for erosion. They want to erode our systems – that is how they are doing it – slowly, subtly. And I’m not anti-muslim – I know the real religion although I am not one. Yes, one has to wonder what ELSE they are teaching the men in those isolated schools. For me, I know just from this event what they are teaching. Utter, flagrant disregard for the laws of the country they go to.

  18. Ann Vaughan says:


    • Crysta says:

      Death to all cults! “false christianity” as well… (granted, i dont think we can outright kill over a billion people combined, but maybe some real education is in order…)

  19. Martin Ellacott says:

    Of course this young korandrathal would blame the girl for luring and enticing him. How often have we heard that “ignorance of the law is no excuse”. Not only should he go to jail, so should the Judge that heard his case. Reading items like this just indicates how much the British values and the Rule of Law ave been subverted.

    • barbara says:

      Its also the case here in Australia. Our government is scared of them. We need to all stop being so kind to these inhumans and don’t worry if we offend them.

  20. Terry Barthram says:

    I don”t believe a fucking single word of that & if people are taken in by this rape of a 13 year old girl then your fucking brainless.Of course he knew what he was doing was wrong!He got well briefed by his imams & solicitor & pleaded ignorance!!!!!!!What the fuck is wrong with this country?

  21. suban says:

    This is why I left Islam and became Rastafarian.. I&I just want peace and love for this I & I stay away from Babylon….
    And these terrorists don’t care about anybody… They rape and kill children?!? FAYAH ON DEM

    • Truth says:

      Fuck off you dumb stoner. You clearly are uneducated in all aspects of life. If you knew anything about the religion, you’d realise how wrong you were. The problem is People, not religion.

      • suban says:

        yh mon! for this talibans are killing children in pakistan…. I am uneducated? go and search about mohammed on google…. guess what u will find? THAT UR BELOVED MOHAMMAD IS THE MOST CRITICIZED PERSON SINCE THE 7th century….. but no u lot will neva admit ur fault and say that it is ILLUMINATI who is doing that…. or the 9/11 was an inside/illuminati job? LMAO

        • Josh Manion says:

          No I believe you need to fuck off as you said. He never mentions he was a Muslim, he never said he follows any religion. He blamed the worlds problems on the people of the world. Is that not were 99.9% of all problems lie, with our own shortcomings, our own pride, and our own vanity. You are as uneducated as most. You are one of the many problems. You would know that religion is at its roots a way to try and treat values that at the time of said religions creation were common practise and expected. It also there to try and treat people right and wrong. The problem lays with the people who turn this into they can use to there own advantage. Please at least think about what your saying, take some effort to look into everytjing before you take a stance on the subject.

    • karen gozra says:

      a very honorable religion my friend, if only Britain had bent over backward to accommodate Rastafarian instead of this islamic faith, how happy we would all be, chilled out, peace love the herb and best of all reggae music, nothing wrong with that

  22. suban says:

    But these people don’t care they will send u to jail for having a plant …… do nothing against people who do disgusting crimes like this…. Fayah on babylon

  23. Speakerofsense says:

    There are a bunch of idiotic legal minds who are so caring for the underdog! Best they catch wake up they have a big shock coming their way. It’s about time Europe woke up before it’s too late to turn the tide that is engulfing it. Europe is paying idiots to come and destroy their country. Wake up guys before we all find ourselves being controlled by a new regime which is moving West and quickly

  24. Shan says:

    Absolutely disgusting! If you’re a British citizen regardless of your race or culture you should have the same education! How is the teaching of women being worthless promoting equality and diversity? And quite frankly it’s discrimination that he’s got away with it because of some bullshit ridiculous excuse! Having sex with a minor is illegal in this country, there should be no tolerance for it regardless of any individual difference or idiotic defence given in court!

  25. S says:

    The worst thing is the number of cases of grooming of young girls in the uk over the past year that have come to the attention of the media and yet they let the bastards away with it when it gets to court just because the justice system are afraid that if they don’t accept his plead of ignorance they’ll be deemed as discrimating and racism because he’s been taught no better in an Islamic faith school! Makes you wonder what else they’re being taught in school. How on earth is this country supposed to embrace diversity and put a stop to racism when ethnic and religious groups isolate themselves from the rest of society by running Islamic schools that are clearly teaching unethical and wrong things to the younger generation!

  26. andy says:

    Okay so i’m an Athiest and i do not follow any religion. Can i go around and rape, murder and steal because i’m a free spirit? Laws the law regardless of religious beliefs & skin colour, do the crime you do the time… This country is fucked

  27. ishkabibul says:

    The girl is still classed as a child-he had every intention of having sex with her as he booked a room at a hotel so his intentions were obvious -I think he would be aware of the differences in culture -‘ignorance of the law is no excuse’ there is -no justice for the girl for whom he took advantage of -the judge is an ass -and should be sacked -once again they are always the -victims all this has proved is what they are being taught in their ideology -no respect or consideration of women.

  28. Jon says:

    So somebody can meet somebody in a bar, have sex.with them not realising they’re under age and face prosecution/prison…but Muslims can knowingly groom them, claim ignorance and walk away?
    Not only is this a massive injustice, but it is also advertising rape as acceptable to paedophiles in the Muslim community … Both the accused and the judge should be serving time right now.

    • Crysta says:

      Pedophile priests already do this all the time, and the church protects them! Heck, priest is one of the hottest career paths for pedophiles!

      • Tommy Church says:


      • Josh Manion says:

        How small minded can you actually be. In ever religion I am guessing there are people who are mentaly sick and have urges that they just do not understand, it is wrong and they should be punished. How by stating that because a catholic priest does it, (or was that protestant?) It becomes acceptable. By that ideology because Hitler tried to exterminate the Serbians and the Jews with the help of the Hungarians, Bulgarians, Italians, Austrians, and Japanese, it suddenly makes it okay for the United States, Uk, and the French, to try and exterminate all the people of Iran. it is small people like you who make this world the horrible and harsh place it is to live in. You throw your ideas out without even thinking about the foolishness that leaves your mouth. Paedophilia is wrong, a persons religious view of any kind has no baring on that matter.

  29. Cliff White says:

    Someone explain to me just how a judge can pass anything other than a custodial sentence for the rape of a 13 year old?

    It doesn’t matter if she agreed to have sex, she is three years younger than the age of consent.

    This is indicative of the mess this country is in, there are no words to describe the madness as the rot sets in.

  30. Barbara says:

    so does that mean we can go to their country and not follow their laws??? I think not!!! Come on rest of the world wake up and stop being scared of them and bowing to their every word!!!!!

    • Michael Stewart says:

      This country needs to stand together and sort things out . Instead of burying it’s head in the sand all the time . This crap needs to stop

      • Truth says:

        Well we’re currently in other Muslim countries killing thousands of innocent people and claiming its ‘collateral’. Burying our heads? We Bury more heads than needed as it is.

        • Crysta says:

          more like hundreds of thousands…

          • karen gozra says:

            yes horrific, the murder and rape of children is WRONG, it does not matter what bloody faith its done in the name of, there is no excuse to rape a child, rape is rape, this pervert should have gone to jail, and yes he new it was wrong, he just pulled a fast one and the dozey judge believed him, and he should be sacked

  31. Barbara says:

    So the judge basically is saying its ok to have sex with a child so therefore should he be classed as a pedophile?????

  32. Chloe says:

    Fucking disgusting judge stokes needs shooting. Islam or what ever religion is no excuse to Rape. Dirty scumbags. Islam is now becoming a Joke i feel sorry for all the innocent Muslims having to go through all the hate that alot of the world is having against them at this time.

  33. Mehroz says:

    Wow this article just makes me sick. I am a Muslim and this is absolute bs, no Muslim would ever tell you a girl is worthless islam doesn’t teach that at all. In fact women are treated with great respect in Islam. This guy is just a disgrace, you don’t have to follow any religion to know that raping a girl is wrong. People like these are the reason why Muslims all around the world suffer from hatred against them. Absolutely disgusting!

    • Ann Inquirer says:

      I think you need to read more in depth of the Koran. Mohammad said many things such as a woman is only worth half a man, that they are evil, they should only be in the house, they are for breeding Google as to where in the Koran). However I am pleased to see someone not following blindly acts that are obviously wrong.

      • Truth says:

        Your interpretations of the Quran are totally wrong n I know it’s only because you’ve read it in the wrong context judging by how much you know.. In Islam man and woman are both halfs that complete each other wen married.. It is in our religion to marry n have children n treat your wife with respect n equality, in Islam a husband should be like a child to his wife but a man wen she needs him.. I suggest you learn the language before you try and comprehend a foreign holy book

        • Mack says:

          Read it cover to cover, no context to it. When the prophet weds a child of eight and “consummates”, how contextual do you really need to be?

        • suban says:

          Yh yh for this they teach all this kind of bull shit in Islamic schools……

        • guest says:

          i have no reason to read your crap book of murder, terrorists, hate preachers, if your not living in the country where this religion is accepted and living in another country where your a guest, then you should be living by that countries laws no matter what your book of crap tells you

      • neela says:

        Don’t agree with what the guy did above but you need to actually read the qur’an rather than google that shit up, it dont say anything like that in the qur’an fyi

      • Crysta says:

        Have you read the bible lately? the entire thing, not just the snippets they throw at you that are “approved”… The bible is no better, with rape, murder, incest, and worse! All approved by “god”…

        Heck, according to the bible, the entire world is one big incest family, animals included!!! Incest was so important, they even did it TWICE!!!

        • Tommy Church says:

          No, we don’t follow the bible as blindly as you nutters follow the Koran.

        • Marv Ellis says:

          Is that meant to negate her statement? Yes, the bible is awful, the statement of fact has nothing to do with her statement, nor does it negate her statement. Here is a simple example to highlight your logical fallacy:
          “Water is a liquid.”
          “Well, oil is a liquid too!”
          Cool, thank you for the statement of the obvious, but the fact that oil (and many other things) is a liquid, does not negate the fact that water is a liquid. So, this in the same way, the Koran is an evil piece of mythological literature, yes, the same as the Bible, the fact that there is more than one evil piece of mythological literature does not negate nor minimize the fact that the Koran is among some of the most horrific, evil pieces of fiction ever written.

  34. Michael Fry says:

    So are we all going to now be allowed the same amount of lattitude, empty the jails as they may be all innocent, does the Law not say ignorance is no defence so what the hell happened here.

  35. David says:

    Britain has passed into the Twilight Zone.

  36. Ann Inquirer says:

    It was premeditated. This jerk knew and did not care she was only 13.

    • Atheist says:

      Agreed. He booked a hotel room and had a condom!

    • Joseph Foley says:

      yes he carefully planned and organised the whole event. Contact on the internet, booking a room, condom in his pocket, he knew exactly what he was doing. Clever boy and the judge really believed the BS?? I was niave I didn”t no the law, it was all her fault she seduced me… or was it political?

  37. Mack says:

    I’m waiting for a punchline. This is just a joke. Surely a large sum of money had to have changed hands. It’s a court of LAW, not a court of excuses…

  38. Adam Scott says:

    England, the sick people of Europe. Your country is weak, if it happened in the US, he would have been on a metal cot by sundown.

    • Jonny says:

      That is why the USA has such a high teenage pregnancy rate, I suppose…

      • Maizey says:

        Yea jonny but not all by Muslims rapeing under age girls

      • Adam Scott says:

        I don’t see how that figures into the line of reasoning that the US puts rapists behind bars, where England let the guy walk. Its the parents who are soft, not the law.

    • Maizey says:

      I agree with u Adam scott

    • Not a Happy bunny says:

      How very gungho of you. What would we do without America? I’m a proud Brit, I love our freedom of speech,our NHS system our ability to help others regardless of creed,colour OR religion. To come on here and slate MY country when America is virtually on its knees,financially,economicly and morally is an insult. They rewrite history, teach their children to the point of stupidity,keep the people like sheep and generally cause Every war on the planet leaving England to yet again clean up their mess. Your comment was weak, uninformative and nothing to do with the topic . Please don’t call my country Weak when your obviously not educated enough to explain fully why. Thanks

      • Adam Scott says:

        Sorry, I thought you educated Brits could have seen what was happening around you, you know, as stupid as we Americans are, at least my country isn’t run by a minority whose religion has your country on its knees. Your judge gave that guy a pass because if he didn’t, the local muslim population would have torn that town a new orifice with which to deficate, oh, did I use big words that exceeded my educational level, oops…

        • Not a Happy bunny says:

          Sorry, didn’t spot any big words?…Don’t you know your SO called leader is Muslim?..I believe our judicial system is plop, no arguments there. You insulted my Country, what did you expect?.. I’m not a horrible person, quite the opposite and yes our Country may seem lenient and I disagree with alot of our policies, it frustrates me

          • Adam Scott says:

            And yet your streets are patrolled by civilians turned militant and your police do nothing, your civilian population does nothing, maybe a little less tolerance, compassion, and understanding might go a long way to solve your problems. Maybe you’re just to used to being baby sat by your government, who can’t trust you to keep firearms, except you gave them up willingly. How is it that the law abiding are responsible for crime related gun violence? As for my leader, I didn’t vote for him, either time, the second time around I only found a few people out of 50 or so, whom I asked that voted for him, so no guilt here, I did my duty. A nation was judged on its merit, nothing else, I don’t work on intangibles such as the useless sentiment you pointed out, try taking your homeland back, or was the sacking of the land by the Normans, Saxons, and the Romans to be endemic to England? Looking to add the nation of Islam to the list?

          • Not a Happy bunny says:

            There’s no point replying to this, not because I have nothing to say, that never happens,Lol. You have your opinions, I have mine. I maybe just a hormonal woman,so I can’t help it

          • Not a Happy bunny says:

            Oh, and also. I don’t vote for my corrupt government their all liars and full of false promises. And as an oldish Hippy I don’t believe in the right to bear arms, I’d be sticking flowers

        • Jay says:

          Wow . What an ignorant little Man U r

      • McDonalds says:

        Not a happy Bunny…you are so blind and ignorant it sickens me. Look at you “financial structure” really? you have “open borders” thats not being accepting…thats being dumb. You are being outbred. Geee come out of the dark ages. America has helped you as much as you have helped us. We dont start every war..
        ..get an education.

    • karen gozra says:

      i hear in Texas you are getting your first sharia law court, it wont be long before you are in the same boat as Europe, America, sorry

  39. truth says:

    you lot bash islam, but under islamic law this guy would have been killed. he is a rapist regardless of his religion!

    • suban says:

      Yh but the girl will be killed as well under ur islamic law……

    • Lizzy Lass says:

      oh no he wouldnt! rape requires 4 male witnesses. it would be the girl who would be killed. stop trying to defend the indefensible. islam pisslam.

    • Ann Inquirer says:

      Since when? We don’t see anyone in ISIS being killed for rape which is encouraged as well as the selling of captives as sex slaves, all allowed in the Koran and Sharia. We all know this to be true now thanks to the internet connecting us to Koranic verses. We’ve learned more Arabic words than we have wanted to know. Lying: taqiyya, kitman, tawriya and/or muruna will not work any more. You cannot defend the indefensible that this ideology is anything but an affront to civilization.

  40. jay says:

    Hang the paedo

  41. suban says:

    No difference between the muslim ideology and philosophy to kill all the non muslim than that of Nazis philosophy and ideology of the Holocaust…. and alot of muslims are also anti-semitic, but i am not anti muslim nor i want to kill muslims… I just want that there is peace in the world and that everybody is living with love for each other…. and to stop wars for religion which is meant to unite people…..

  42. suban says:

    The prophecy of the “Four kingdoms of Daniel” in Chapter 7 of the Book of Daniel has also been interpreted by Christians as a prediction of Muhammad. Eulogius argued that Muhammad was the Fourth Beast in the prophesy. Another medieval monk, Alvarus, argued that Muhammad was the “eleventh king” that emerged from the Fourth Beast. According to historian John Tolan,

    In Daniel’s description of this beast, Alvarus sees the career of the Antichrist Muhammad and his disciples. This eleventh king who arises after the others, “diverse from the first,” who subdues three kings, is it not Muhammad, who vanquished the Greeks, the Romans, and the Goths? “And he shall speak great words against the most High”: did he not deny the divinity of Christ, thus, according to Saint John, showing himself to be an Antichrist? He “shall wear out the saints of the most High”: is this not a prediction of the persecutions inflicted by the Muslims, in particular of the martyrdoms of Córdoba? He will “think to change times and laws”: did he not introduce the Muslim calendar and the Koran? “ The internet is full of proofs…

  43. Nik says:

    That’s wrong religion is no acception for any crime, if you commited it you pay simple. Disgusting dog I hope someone has there way with him and gets away with it.

  44. Courtney says:

    He’s stil broken the law if anyone raped a girl underage they would still get jailed his religon doesnt change that hes broken the law hes in britain hes broke one of the laws he should be punished

  45. Ellen D'm Dean New says:

    If he was white he would been sent straight prison! Fucking discusting!

  46. Ellen D'm Dean New says:

    And this is what’s wrong with Britain! If he was british it would of been a different matter and would of been sent to prison… absolutely disgusting!

  47. John says:

    And this is why there will soon be a civil war on the streets of Britain… If I said my religion stated I shouldn’t pay my bills would the government and courts write them off too? Of course not.. I’m a white male who should know every single law. And too live in this country you should know the law and abide by it too. No exception!

  48. X soldier says:

    If I had my way I cut the little cunts dick off england is a joke and so are the foreigners that come here you cry about your own country n then move to ours but can’t abide buy our laws weak pathetic pple and as for the judge he should be put in the same position with his daughter see if his excuse would still be oh his religion don’t teach him respect for religion you all want the horrible stuff done back to you all n fucked off back to your own country n do what you wana do over there not in in England n every one like the judge wants sending with them all because this sort of stuff will bring a civil war n me for one cannot fucking wait england has grown weak n needs new leaders n needs all weakness flushing out of it n be back how it used to

    • Tom says:

      good man!

      • Xsoldier says:

        Really Sharon and yano wat she would say if it was her daughter feel sorry for her child if u got any discusting comment from u in my eyes with a comment like that u deserve all u get yes I’m ex solder and reading things like this makes my blood boil and Sharon u come out with that really hate to think we’re ur daughter is now n if u haven’t hope u don’t!!

    • mark says:

      Well said, I agree with you. One day there will be a civil war. The clock is ticking. This country has gone down hill. I dont no if you are an x soldier but if you are, you fight for this country and what thanks do you get. Fuck all. I say kick all the imigrants out wether they was born in this country or not and make briton great again. Its one rule for one and one rule for another. With all the hype about peodaphiles goin on in the news and news papers surly he no’s whats right and wrong with under age sex. Stinking muslims. burn the lot of them.

    • Josh Manion says:

      There won’t be a civil war are there are too many people like your self who talk all day about changing The country making some sort of action but what have you done. Do you go out and lobby against the travesty’s that you think are going on. Are yo petitioning against the matters of british politics you don’t agree with, are you standing up and actually making your voice heard, this isn’t about being a bigot or xenophobic, its not about joining ukip or bnp, its simple about going out and doing something if thats what you believe, instead of simple taking the 2 minutes of your time it took to write that comment. Or maybe that would be too much effort for you.

    • James Larkin says:

      yeh because the answer to rape is more violence well done

    • karen gozra says:

      probably the judge is a peado to, what really does my noodle is Muslims are so desperate to get out of their own Islamic states that they risk their lives in fragile little boats trying to get to the west, thousands are dying off the coasts of Italy, are prepared to risk life and limb hanging on the axles of trucks to come to Britain and when they get here they then want to create the same Islamic states they fled from in the first place,i for one cannot understand the logic here at all

  49. shannon says:

    You’re all saying things about him, what about her? She never said no did she?its only classed as rape because of her age she agreed to it she knew exactly what she was doing. If he forced himself on her then yeah maybe, she agreed to it.

    • Josh Manion says:

      Sharon you must be a child. If you were actualy mature in anyway you would understand that although a child of 13 may believe they know it all and can make all the right choice they cant, that is why it is left to adults to make it for them. He is an adult of 18 years old, religion should not be a factor in this, race or birth of origin. He has had sexual intercourse with a minor. This is a crime, negligence of the law does not mean the law does not stand, or it would be the defence of everyone who has ever committed a crime. I believe this article is fake until I check it further. But your comment shows your lack of common sense and the problem with the british public of today. Losing all the morals, sense of pride and community that was common place in the 1960’s.

    • karen gozra says:

      the very reason children of that age are protected or were once upon a time in Britain is because at that age they are NOT RESPONSIBLE for their actions, they are young, hormonal, are not the best at judging situations they may find themselves in, they can be naive and easily manipulated, being once a mother of teenagers, mine having grown up now, i understand this as will ALL parents, as such they need to be protected by the law, and their welfare should come before anybody’s religion or faith

  50. Stephen Sansum says:

    he knew to take her to a premier inn, he knew to wear a condom, he had being chatting for months on facebook, then surely he would have known what he was doing was wrong, throw him out of the country and send him back to the country where his school teaching are accepted, he is a guest in the uk, and should live by our laws, they made the decision to come here so their fore accepted they should live by our laws,

    • courtney says:

      i agree with the first part but how can you say ‘send him back’? what if he was born here, that comment was so ignorant wow. just because he went to an islamic school and because hes a muslim does not say that he wasnt born in the UK and that hes not British. i

  51. Jollyjacktar says:

    Ignorance of the law is no excuse; he should be in jail as an example to other moslems.

    • reda says:

      Exemple to other Muslims??
      If anyone else you won’t say that if he is Christian for example

      • dsadsadsa says:

        shut up you sand nigger

      • John Brookes says:

        You have a point. But would a non Muslim have been allowed to use that as an excuse.

      • Mrs S says:

        It’s not a Christian claiming he didn’t know it was illegal..
        Nothing to do with Islamaphobia!!

        • Xsoldier says:

          He dint no it was allegal really umm a poor excuse for a dirty bastard of a peace of meat everybody knows it’s against the law I mean come on we all no it’s not right in the head to touch a child in that way shape or form jst these wrong ens that do n for any1 to keep sayin he dint no is pretty fuked up them selfs

      • Jollyjacktar says:

        I wrote moslems. If muslims choose to live amongst us they must learn to live by our rules as must Christians or anyone else. I suggest you learn what exactly moslem means..

    • Emile John Joe Walker says:

      Exactly what I thought, it also says he said “he was reluctant to have sex until he was seduced” therefore it means he KNEW it was wrong.

  52. laurence Muscat says:

    is there Jail for the Judge?
    He is a Criminal as the young man is to my eyes.

  53. laura says:

    im struggling to believe this article is this real… surely the British justice system just wouldnt let him walk free…

    • James Larkin says:

      yeh i agree i don’t think this story is real either, but all the right wing papers are running with it

      • laura says:

        im sure that sometimes the papers etc are just trying to stir up racial hatred

        • laura says:

          people are so quick to jump on any story, any excuse to have a go at Muslims and no i am not Muslim i am Christian. Do not believe everything you read. Do you honestly think he would be let off with rape? The Laws the Law! THINK people how reliable sources really are…

  54. suban says:

    Their religion is not the problem because Muslim are the most peaceful people in the world. Yh mon!TERORSM, ISIS AND OTHERS ARE THE MOST PEACEFUL PEOPLE IN THE WORLD.

  55. Richard Landers says:

    And yet they still allow the Islamic educational system to run rampant while clearly acknowledging that it fosters either mental illness or sociopathic behavior.

  56. Mrs S says:

    Ignorance is not an excuse. Lock him up. And close down the disgrace school!

  57. emarugby79 says:

    lock him up and the girl’s parents too.
    wtf is a 13 year old going around to a hotel with a stranger? what did her parents tech her?

  58. MildJoe says:

    Like most religions, I’m sure it left some stuff out, The Bible doesn’t even say rape is wrong, but don’t eat shrimp or wear cloths with 2 different fibers.

    • James Larkin says:

      very good point, im glad to see is at least 1 smart person on here, did you see what the “kill muslims” guy wrote – what a dick

  59. Kill Muslims says:

    Fucking paki cunt all Muslims should be set on fire or be gased like the Jews

    • James Larkin says:

      you’re an idiot

    • Josh Manion says:

      You should learn to keep your xenophobic ideas to your self you bigot. That is the most horrific thing I have read yet on here, im starting understand the real problem with the country we live in today a lack of education. How can you actually say that about human life no matter what the atrocity, must his entire religion die for it. If your british your more than likely church of england of catholic does that mean that you should be hung because a man in the usa is a paedophil and you share his religion. Before you say your not religious can you check your birth certificate and just check your parents havent killed you by saying you are.

    • Ronald Smith says:

      shut up about kill muslims its freaks like you that cause people to fight. The media fukin chats shit mentioning the word “muslim” so all u dumb twats believe each and every one is like that. Yes the guy should be punished for committing such an offence however its biased twats like yourself that need to be put on fire with this guy!!!!

    • sasha says:

      Shut up you stupid idiot.

  60. Gabe says:

    He goes in England and is supposed to have read and understood the law in this country. He did a crime, and should be punished for it. Lolipop or nor. The end

  61. Charles Hinkle says:

    wonder what would happen to me if I was in his country and I raped a 13 year old muslim girl I guarantee I woulg lose my head….

    • Krisi Allen says:

      No because in his country it would be the girl’s fault and they would stone her to death for your actions…(if you raped a girl that is)

  62. Connor Pierce says:

    Always using there religion to get out of things!! Whether his religion teaches them this or not they should learn and abide by our laws if they live in our country!! Fucking curry munching prick!

  63. steven wallis says:

    According to the quran it is not illegal to have sex with a girl of 13 or even younger. Their prophet married a girl of 9years old. If sharia law is enforced then sex with underage girls or boys will be made legal.

  64. Cb says:

    How many more times is the British Justice system going to fail!? Rape is a crime in Britain therefore the criminal should be punished no matter what his religion or beliefs!

  65. common sense says:

    I don’t even think this story is true. It sounds ridiculous. Media playing stupid games and stupid people will believe this and make racist comments.

    • tanya says:

      Not really look at the cover up of child abuse from muslim groups in rotherham and no one official said or protected these innocent children from fear of been labelled racist absolute bull u live in england u follow english law simple and if u want to live in england you should be taught our ways simple

    • David Schnepper says:

      Racist? Religion is not a race. Once and for all!

  66. Dave Oldham says:

    How long as he lived in this forgiving country. The Law states that its illegal to have sex with a girl under the age of 16. If he didn’t know that where has he been for the last several years. Its a get out clause that’s what it is, nothing more nothing less. If that had been an English boy he would have said goodbye for some time. And women are worthless, so if that’s what they practice then why did he have sex with the young girl . Hes guilty regardless of his faith. This is England and our laws should be for all not just a few. The Judge is a total Buffoon

  67. Maizey says:

    The judge is obviously a paedophile as well

  68. secret says:

    This is not right an excuse to avoid consequences… Any other foreigner would have gone to jail for such act… Why we are not judged same way all? If he live and learn here he know the rules it’s obviously lie but even if he doesn’t know it doesn’t mean he can break a law without consequences …others gonna see and they will keep doing that.

  69. bret walker says:

    sorry but are you joking me ahh this country annoys me . cant wait for the day this government get there heads out there asses and wake up and smell the coffee basically his religion never taught it so he doesn’t get done . i don’t have a religion therefore i haven’t been taught it then so i guess its ok ? not sure but i don’t think it says in any religious book one must not have sex with underage girls however it is the against the law and everyones clearly knows that the law. any muslim does anything now all they do is play the religion card and get away with it because the court don’t want to be seen a racist, plus this is no way on earth on he wouldn’t know that it was illegal hes has most likely liked here since birth he would clearly have a TV . Rape cases are always on the news and there always articles or newspapers or things like this on facebook.he knew exactly what he was doing hence the fact he booked a hotel room not as if he booked it too have a coffee in is it ? this case is a joke should of been a no brainer straight to jail.

  70. tanya says:

    Sick wether taught it or not he broke british law and if they cant adhere to british law then send them home to a muslim country we are english and sharia law and extreme muslims are not welcome when is our government going to start looking after us british ppl first set of fuckwits

  71. Jade says:

    Not being funny but if we went to a Muslim country and broke sharia law they would not take into account we were unaware of the jllegality of our actions, he has been living in this country where rape of underage girls is in the papers and on the tv a lot so I’m sorry he is taking the piss out of us because he knows if after he stated he was a Muslim the courts would bend over backwards to help him

  72. Samplethief says:

    This is clearly bullshit. I dont believe it unless someone can find me a more reliable source.

  73. Joshua Jack Cullen says:

    “I didn’t know it was illegal to rape a child because my big imaginary friends distracted me”

    Fuck off. Prison, now.

  74. danish shaikh says:

    What crap is this…… Islam never teaches rape and woman has a very high status in islam….
    Its a major sin to have illlegal sex(zina) in islam….dont believe this terrorist they exploit women they are not muslims they are just terrorist and terrorist have no religion….understand islam first and they speak ill things…..islam is a religion of peace and logic!….this is all bullshit just to brimg down the name of the fastest growing religion :)

    • Carlos Malleum says:

      Religion of peace? My hairy Scottish else!

      Peace in the context of dar-es-islam but you are not fooling anyone. It is not peace in the judeo-christian definition of the word, you might have fooled Cameron and Merkel with that but the rest of us are into you. Unless you guys start to accept that your religion has some serious issues integration into democracy there is going to be one almighty train wreck on the horizon once the non Muslim majority lose their patience with your constant antagonist tactics. All we hear 24/7 is Allah this, Allah that. You are only 15% of the population, the police and law protect your religion from valid criticism, you cry racist whenever anyone mentions it despite Islam being a religion rather than a race and you cannot even bring yourself to criticise the convicted rapist above for it.

      • danish shaikh says:

        Brother brother relax….first please explain me which serious issues are you talking about…..we muslims believes in quran… i ask give me one mistake from the quran…..forget about the people i knw some extremists talks ill that is there in all the religions….my concept why to blame my religion when i know.its a true path for all mankind and teaches peace now i ask you proof islam wrong by the book which we follow infact i challenge you plz.go ahead and ill answer you inshallah

        • Carlos Malleum says:

          The theological debate is irrelevant. What is relevant is that you have failed to condem this rapist for criticism of your religion. It’s not the court who have said that he was taught to treat women like shit, it is the defendant, all the court does is use this in making their decision around sentence. And you, you criticise the court. If you want to defend your religion and if you believe that sisters should be equal then why are you waiting your time arguing with me, a kuffar who really cares not an ounce about Allah or Muhammed or your books UNLESS THEY ARE THE CAUSE OF CRIMINAL ACTIVITY IN OUR SOCIETY. Rather than waste your time with me why are you not condemning the school who taught him this, by your interpretation they have got their attitude to women wrong.

          • danish shaikh says:

            Brother i agree that he has done a crime and he should be definitely punished and i dont understand why did the court leaves him free… could u claim that the school taught him to rape do you have any evidence regarding it!

          • Carlos Malleum says:

            It’s not up to me to provide that evidence. The condemned rapist is the one that claims the school taught him it was OK to rape women. That’s why he’s not in jail. You should be asking him or his lawyers or maybe his school to provide evidence either supporting or denying the accusation he makes.

            Whatever happens I can pretty much guarantee that the sentence will be appealed as to lenient and he will be going to prison for the rape of a child.

            As far as who taught him that this was OK? That will be a matter for OFSTED but given the sheer volume we are seeing of incidents like this you will have to accept that your religion and the texts that support it will be under the microscope and judged by the wider society. If it becomes apparent to the majority that the way Islam is being taught is a route cause of this criminal activity then you will be brought under huge pressure to change your ways just as evangelical Christian sects had to comply. I’m afraid, if you wish to live in a society governed by democratic law, then your beliefs come second to the rule of that law. If you font like that then we have a problem.

          • danish shaikh says:

            Brother where am i saying that he has not commited a sin he has commited a major sin i dont understand why the judge left him rules and laws are same for all he should be punished and i am with you in regards of his punishment if case is like i seems to be

          • danish shaikh says:

            Carlos where are you????? I am still waiting for your precious reply

        • Where is the justice? says:

          Two questions for you, yes or no answers please, I’m not interested in a long bullshit lecture about religion.

          1) do you think it’s acceptable to rape a 13 year old girl?
          2) do you think it’s acceptable to get away with it on the grounds of ignorance even thought you know damm well what the law is?

          Bonus question
          Do you think a man that rapes a 13 year old girl should be locked up?

          Again, just want a yes or no answer….

          • danish shaikh says:

            1)Its not acceptable to rape anyone whether she is 13 or 50
            2)no…this guy should be punished according to law no matter which religion he belongs to
            3)in the article which i read above ots an illegal sex and islam forbids illegal sex but its nowhere written its rape i think ot was mutual between the girl and boy rape is a forced sex i guess……both illegal sex and rape are punishable act in islam also as well as the law so i think the guy should be punished

  75. danish shaikh says:

    Please read this if you believes that islam exploits women:
    In Islam there is absolutely no difference between men and women as far as their relationship to Allah is concerned, as both are promised the same reward for good conduct and the same punishment for evil conduct. The Quran says:

    “And for women are rights over men similar to those of men over women.” [Noble Quran 2:228]

    • Carlos Malleum says:

      Really, you’ll have to do better than that. HERE’S Mo’s second wife on the subject:

      : Narrated ‘Aisha: The things which annual prayer were mentioned before me (and those were): a dog, a donkey and a woman. I said, “You have compared us (women) to donkeys and dogs. By Allah! I saw the Prophet praying while I used to lie in (my) bed between him and the Qibla. Whenever I was in need of something, I disliked to sit and trouble the Prophet. So, I would slip away by the side of his feet.”

      Sahih Bukhari 1:9:493

      Women are harmful to men:

      Narrated Usama bin Zaid: The Prophet said, “After me I have not left any affliction more harmful to men than women.”

      Sahih Bukhari 7:62:33

      Women are deficient in intelligence compared with men:
      Narrated Abu Said Al-Khudri:

      Once Allah’s Apostle went out to the Musalla (to offer the prayer) o ‘Id-al-Adha or Al-Fitr prayer. Then he passed by the women and said, “O women! Give alms, as I have seen that the majority of the dwellers of Hell-fire were you (women).” They asked, “Why is it so, O Allah’s Apostle ?” He replied, “You curse frequently and are ungrateful to your husbands. I have not seen anyone more deficient in intelligence and religion than you. A cautious sensible man could be led astray by some of you.” The women asked, “O Allah’s Apostle! What is deficient in our intelligence and religion?” He said, “Is not the evidence of two women equal to the witness of one man?” They replied in the affirmative. He said, “This is the deficiency in her intelligence. Isn’t it true that a woman can neither pray nor fast during her menses?” The women replied in the affirmative. He said, “This is the deficiency in her religion.” 

      Sahih Bukhari 1:6:301

      And I could be here all day posting similar versus from the Koran and Hadith as the are literally hundreds eds of them along a similar line.

      Never mind the evidence in front of our faces or the numerous Islamic scholars who endorse violence against women and blame women for being raped.

      What about the recent death of a 14 year old rape victim, sentenced to 100 lashes for adultery because she had been raped. She lasted 70 lashes before dying.

      So being tortured to death for being the victim of male sexually aggression? Equal?

      And how then did the perpetrators of the abuse scandals in Rotherham, in Rochester and in as it transpires, every town in the UK, how did they come to see their victims as worthless??

      You have to do A lot better than that.

      • danish shaikh says:

        Answer to your first claim i hope ull get satisfied brother
        answering the false claim that women are compared to dogs’
        (misunderstood hadith)
        Abu Dharr reported: The messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) said:

        When any one of you stands for prayer and there is a thing before him equal to the back of the saddle that covers him and in case there is not before him (a thing) equal to the back of the saddle, his prayer would be cut off by (passing of an) ass, woman and black dogg.I said: O Abu Dharr, what feature is there in a black dog which distinguish it from the red dog and the yellow dog? He said: O, son of my brother, I asked the Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) as you are asking me, and he said: The black dog is a devil. (Sahih Muslim, Book 004, Number 1032- see also Number 1034)

        ‘Urwa b. Zubair reported: ‘A’isha asked: What disrupts the prayer? We said: the woman and the ass. Upon this she remarked: is the women an ugly animal? I lay in front of the Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) like the bier of a corpse and he said prayer. (Sahih Muslim, Book 004, Number 1037)

        Narrated Abdullah ibn Abbas:
        Qatadah said: I heard Jabir ibn Zayd who reported on the authority of Ibn Abbas; and Shu’bah reported the Prophet (peace_be_upon_him) as saying: a menstruating women and a dogg cut off the prayer. (Sunan Abu Dawud, Book 2, Number 0703)

        These hadith mostly posted by anti islamic people gives someone the idea that women are compared to dogs and asses (=donkey) , what they fail to do is showing the hadith which nullify their claim.
        Sahih Bukhari Volume 1, Book 9, Number 487 & 488:
        Narrated Abu Salih As-Samman: I saw Abu Said Al-Khudri praying on a Friday, behind something which acted as a Sutra. A young man from Bani Abi Mu’ait, wanted to pass in front of him, but Abu Said repulsed him with a push on his chest. Finding no alternative he again tried to pass but Abu Said pushed him with a greater force. The young man abused Abu Said and went to Marwan and lodged a complaint against Abu Said and Abu Said followed the young man to Marwan who asked him, “O Abu Said! What has happened between you and the son of your brother?” Abu Sa’id said to him, “I heard the Prophet saying, ‘If anybody amongst you is praying behind something as a Sutra and somebody tries to pass in front of him, then he should repulse him and if he refuses, he should use force against him for he is a satan.’ ”
        Here we clearly see that a prayer will be cut off by anybody who passes by in front of the praying person, the prophet clearly said: anybody (ALSO MEN !) . so the claim that ‘a women is compared to a dogg or a donkey is rediculous and nonsense, since the prophet clearly mentioned ‘anybody’, see also:
        Sahih Bukhari, Volume 1, Book 9, Number 489:
        Narrated Busr bin Said: that Zaid bin Khalid sent him to Abi Juhaim to ask him what he had heard from Allah’s Apostle about a person passing in front of another person who was praying. Abu Juhaim replied, “Allah’s Apostle said, ‘If the person who passes in front of another person in prayer knew the magnitude of his sin he would prefer to wait for 40 (days, months or years) rather than to pass in front of him.” Abu An-Nadr said, “I do not remember exactly whether he said 40 days, months or years.”
        There’s no comparison at all between a women , dogg or ass. Some muslims thougt that only women and dogss cutt of the prayer, they failed to know the true words mentioned by the prophet regarding the things who cut off someones prayer. Thats why aicha responded to them.
        The prophet also had no problem at all with his wife being close to him while praying:
        Volume 1, Book 9, Number 493:
        Narrated ‘Aisha: The things which annual prayer were mentioned before me (and those were): a dog, a donkey and a woman. I said, “You have compared us (women) to donkeys and dogs. By Allah! I saw the Prophet praying while I used to lie in (my) bed between him and the Qibla. Whenever I was in need of something, I disliked to sit and trouble the Prophet. So, I would slip away by the side of his feet.”
        Volume 1, Book 9, Number 491:
        Narrated ‘Aisha: The Prophet used to pray while I was sleeping across in his bed in front of him. Whenever he wanted to pray Witr, he would wake me up and I would pray Witr.
        Volume 1, Book 9, Number 495:
        Narrated Abu Qatada Al-Ansari:Allah’s Apostle was praying and he was carrying Umama the daughters of Zainab, the daughter of Allah’s Apostle and she was the daughter of ‘As bin Rabi’a bin ‘AbduShams. When he prostrated, he put her down and when he stood, he carried her (on his neck).
        Secondly the prophet even had no problem with his menstruating wife being next to him while praying
        Sahih Bukhari, Volume 1, Book 9, Number 497:
        Narrated Maimuna: The Prophet used to pray while I used to sleep beside him during my periods (menses) and in prostrations his garment used to touch me.
        We clearly proof that no women at all (menstruating/non menstruating) annules a prayer when shes around her husband , the prophet clearly mentioned that someones prayer will be annuled if a person (could be a man, child or menstruating / non-menstruating women) passes by in front of him

      • danish shaikh says:

        Answer to your second claim”
        Muslimahs” have no idea that a woman can wound a man’s heart in ways that no weapon ever will. The Prophet spoke the truth. Actually, that’s not true. Modern psychology has shown that men who are truly hurt by women suffer far more deeply than the other way around. The reason is that men tend to keep it all inside whereas women cry and share their grief will their friends to lighten their burden. Furthermore, the Prophet was talking about the most harmful grief that men will suffer, because they become self-destructive. With a loss of love, women also grieve but they adjust, compromise with circumstances, and move on. For women the most harmful affliction could be something elseother than men, such as a miscarriage etc. Perhaps, you are not understanding and basing your views on preconceptions and bitterness.

      • danish shaikh says:

        Answer to your third claim
        Musalla =Literally a place where prayer is performed, although in practice it has come to refer to large open spaces outside cities for that purpose.

        Answering the false claim that ‘Women are dumb and less intelligence in brain and religion then men’

        Many muslims and non-muslims misunderstand the meaning it conveys. This is largely due to the fact that the Hadith is quoted only in part and the relevant statement is cited out of context. There are other hadith about the same incident, which shows us the context of the hadith in question, Ibn `Abbas said:

        •”I attended Eid prayers with the Prophet (PBUH), and (after his death) with Abu Bakr, `Umar and `Uthman. All of them used to perform the prayer before the khutbah. The Prophet (PBUH) came down (from the minbar) – and it is as if I can see him now, gesturing to them to sit down – then he would come through the crowd, until he reached the women. Bilal was with him, and he recited: ( O Prophet! When believing women come to you to take the oath of fealty to you, that they will not associate anything whatever with Allah . . .) (Qur’an 60:12), until the end of the ayah. Then he said, `Are you adhering to that?’ Only one woman answered, `Yes, O Prophet of Allah (PBUH),’ and he did not know at that time who she was 40. He said, `Then give sadaqah,’ and Bilal spread out his cloak. The Prophet (PBUH) said, `Come on, may my father and my mother be sacrificed for you!’ So they began to throw their rings and jewellery onto Bilal’s cloak.”

        (Fath al-Bari, 2/466, Kitab al-‘idayn, bab maw’izat al-imam al-nisa’a yawn al-‘id; Sahih Muslim, 6/171, Kitab salat al-‘idayn.)

        The Prophet (PBUH) addressed the women in the Eid prayer-place, reminding them about their religion, and that he took charity from them, reconfirmed their adherence to their oath of allegiance, enjoined them to remember the teachings of Islam, and motivated them to do good works. All of this was achieved by calling them to attend the congregational prayer on both Eids. This is indicative of the importance of congregational prayer in the life of the Muslim individual and the Islamic society.

        The Prophet (PBUH) was concerned with the teaching and guidance of women, and wanted them to play a part in building the Muslim society, so he devoted part of his khutbah to women. He would come to the place where the women were gathered, and exhort and remind them, and he made doing this a duty of the imam.

        People always attribute to the Prophet, peace be upon him, the suggestion that women are inferior to men on grounds of a deficient mind a lack of faith. This is far from true.

        Let us look at the Hadith in full: “On the occasion of Eid, either that of sacrifice or that of ending the fast, the Prophet, peace be upon him, went to the prayer place, and then went to speak to women and he said: “Ladies! I have not seen people deficient in mind and religion yet can get away with a rational man’s mind like any one of you.” They asked: “How are we deficient in mind and religion, Messenger of God?” He said: “Is it not true that a woman’s testimony counts as half that of a man?” When they answered in the affirmative, he said: “This is her mental deficiency. Is it not true that when a woman is in her period she neither prays nor fasts?” They again answered in the affirmative. He said: “This is her religious deficiency.” (Related by Al-Bukhari and Muslim)

        To start with, the Prophet, peace be upon him, was speaking to a congregation of women on a joyous occasion. Exemplary in his care for others, particularly his companions, and kind and compassionate as he was, it is inconceivable that he would insult them by such a statement, if he meant it as a statement of fact, like some of us do. The Prophet, peace be upon him, simply used this phrase “deficient in mind and religion” to alert them to what he wanted to say to them. The Prophet, peace be upon him, frequently uses such a method, inserting some words that may not be relevant to the point he wants to stress, so that they serve to attract the attention of his audience. From the other Hadith about this occasion we saw that the prophet wanted to encourage women to give alms / saqada. Furthermore, his statement expresses amazement at a well-known situation, when a man is infatuated by a woman to the extent that his behavior changes in character. He may be wise and intelligent, yet he could easily behave in a way that is inconsistent with his intelligence and wisdom when he is so infatuated. This is a case where a woman who is generally weaker than a man can control him.

        The Hadith mentions that the Prophet’s women audience asked him to clarify what he said. His clarification pinpoints certain aspects that suggest no inferiority whatsoever. The mental deficiency is related to the fact that in certain cases, two women witnesses are required in place of one-man witness. This has to do with the role of each of the two sexes in Islamic society. It is no reflection on a woman’s mental ability. As for religious deficiency, the Prophet, peace be upon him, states the fact that a woman is exempt from prayer and fasting when she is in menstruation. While God gives a woman the reward for prayer and fasting as if she has done them, since she stops only because of her condition and in response to God’s orders, still the fact that she does not fulfill these duties means that her worship is less in terms of what she offers. It does not mean that she is a lesser believer.

        As for a relevant statement of fact in this regard, the Prophet, peace be upon him, says, “Women are full sisters of men.” In the Arabic text, the Prophet, peace be upon him, uses here a word, which implies total similarity and equivalence. Hence, the Prophet’s statement suggests no inferiority attached to women. The Qur’an and the Sunnah assign the same duties to both men and women, and promise them the same reward. If this does not mean the same status, I would like to know what does.
        May I add here that the translation of this Hadith as quoted is wrong, because it splits the relevant sentence and gives the Prophet’s words in such a way that they appear to make a statement of fact. This is wrong, as I have explained.

        As for the other part, a full translation of it goes as follows: “‚I have seen hell and I have never seen any thing more horrific than what I saw then. I also saw that the majority of its dwellers are women. ‚ They asked: “On what grounds, Messenger of God? He said: “By their denial.‚ They said: “Their denial of God?‚ He answered: “No. Their denial of their spouses and their denial of kindness. You may be kind to one of them all the time, but when she finds fault with you she says: I have never received any kindness from you. ‚”

        To start with, the Hadith does not say that most women are in hell. It says that the majority of hell dwellers are women, which simply signifies that more women fail in this worldly test than men. Then the Prophet, peace be upon him, points out their failure, which is not based on denying God. Rather, it is denying kindness, particularly in marital situations. The Prophet, peace be upon him, has pointed this out in more than one Hadith, warning women against grumbling and frequent complaints. He is also warning them here against denying kindness by their husbands, highlighting a failing that is often expressed in denying past kindness.
        The Hadith shows that women can easily avoid such a destiny by being fair and appreciative of kindness. They should always be grateful to God for what He has given them and also be appreciative of any kindness done to them by others, particularly those with whom they live, be they their husbands, parents or other relatives.

      • danish shaikh says:

        Brother i hope i have answered all your question in a very comprehensive way and i hope you are satisfied

      • Not a Happy bunny says:

        This Danish pastry guy’s getting on my piggin nerves. Well done Carlos for your informative debate. My reply was to the guy who called my county weak, how very rude

    • Peter Cawte says:

      Can you tell me how under Islamic law the man would be punished for his crime?

  76. Carlos Malleum says:

    Here’s the Koran on rape of non-Muslim women:

    Also (forbidden are) women already married, except those whom your right hands possess. Thus has Allah ordained for you. All others are lawful, provided you seek them from your property, desiring chastity, not fornication. So with those among them whom you have enjoyed, give them their required due, but if you agree mutually after the requirement (has been determined), there is no sin on you. Surely, Allah is Ever All-Knowing, All-Wise.

    Qur’an 4:24

    So, we can assume by the rapists defence that he was taught this at his Islamic school. What I, and other infidels struggle to understand is why you, a self styled moderate Muslim, are not hounding the school about this as it clearly has been teaching attitudes to women which are not compatible with being a law abiding and valued member of society.

    Is there any wonder why you say there is an increase in so called islamaphobia? This type of incident and your faliure to condem it is exactly why people are losing patience with Islam and asking questions you don’t want to answer. Rather than run bleating about Islamophobia why don’t you try and ensure your house is in order?

    • danish shaikh says:

      Forbidding Women Already Married Except for Female Slaves

      Allah subhanahu wa ta’ala said,

      وَالْمُحْصَنَـتُ مِنَ النِّسَآءِ إِلاَّ مَا مَلَكْتَ أَيْمَـنُكُمْ

      “Also (forbidden are) women already married, except those whom your right hands possess.”The Ayah means, you are prohibited from marrying women who are already married,

      إِلاَّ مَا مَلَكْتَ أَيْمَـنُكُمْ

      “except those whom your right hands possess” except those whom you acquire through war, for you are allowed such women after making sure they are not pregnant. Imam Ahmad recorded that Abu Sa`id Al-Khudri said, “We captured some women from the area of Awtas who were already married, and we disliked having sexual relations with them because they already had husbands. So, we asked the Prophet about this matter, and this Ayah was revealed,

      وَالْمُحْصَنَـتُ مِنَ النِّسَآءِ إِلاَّ مَا مَلَكْتَ أَيْمَـنُكُمْ

      Consequently, we had sexual relations with these women.” This is the wording collected by At-Tirmidhi An-Nasa’i, Ibn Jarir and Muslim in his Sahih. Allah’s statement,

      كِتَـبَ اللَّهِ عَلَيْكُمْ

      “Thus has Allah ordained for you” means, this prohibition was ordained for you by Allah. Therefore, adhere to Allah’s Book, do not transgress His set limits, and adhere to His legislation and decrees.

      The Permission to Marry All Other Women

      Allah subhaanhu wa ta’ala said,

      وَأُحِلَّ لَكُمْ مَّا وَرَاءَ ذَلِكُمْ

      “All others are lawful” meaning, you are allowed to marry women other than the prohibited types mentioned here, as `Ata’ and others have stated. Allah’s statement,

      أَن تَبْتَغُواْ بِأَمْوَلِكُمْ مُّحْصِنِينَ غَيْرَ مُسَـفِحِينَ

      “provided you seek them (with a dowry) from your property, desiring chastity, not fornication,” meaning, you are allowed to use your money to marry up to four wives and for (the purchase of) as many female slaves as you like, all through legal means,

      مُّحْصِنِينَ غَيْرَ مُسَـفِحِينَ

      “(desiring) chastity, not fornication.” Allah’s statement,

      فَمَا اسْتَمْتَعْتُمْ بِهِ مِنْهُنَّ فَـَاتُوهُنَّ أُجُورَهُنَّ فَرِيضَةً

      “So with those among them whom you have enjoyed, give them their required due,” means, to enjoy them sexually, surrender to them their rightful dowry as compensation.

    • danish shaikh says:

      Brother plz reply to this now
      What about John 8:1-11? Does it really justify fornication, adultery and pornography as many Christians believe?

      The sections of this article are:
      – What about John 8:1-11?
      – Most Christians don’t consider those who divorce and marry again as
      committing adultery.
      – The Bible is contradicting itself regarding adultery.
      – Rebuttal to the Christian “Answering Islam” team regarding the
      “homosexuality” lie in Islam.

      Please be advised that I added a rebuttal section toward the end of this article.
      Let us look at John 8:1-11:
      But Jesus went to the Mount of Olives.
      At dawn he appeared again in the temple courts, where all the people gathered around him, and he sat down to teach them.
      The teachers of the law and the Pharisees brought in a woman caught in adultery. They made her stand before the group
      and said to Jesus, “Teacher, this woman was caught in the act of adultery.
      In the Law Moses commanded us to stone such women. Now what do you say?”
      They were using this question as a trap, in order to have a basis for accusing him. But Jesus bent down and started to write on the ground with his finger.
      When they kept on questioning him, he straightened up and said to them, “If any one of you is without sin, let him be the first to throw a stone at her.”
      Again he stooped down and wrote on the ground.
      At this, those who heard began to go away one at a time, the older ones first, until only Jesus was left, with the woman still standing there.
      Jesus straightened up and asked her, “Woman, where are they? Has no one condemned you?”
      “No one, sir,” she said. “Then neither do I condemn you,” Jesus declared. “Go now and leave your life of sin.”

    • danish shaikh says:

      Even reply to this thenMost Christians don’t consider those who divorce and marry again as committing adultery. Some Christians don’t consider fornication as a sin in the Bible:

      Let’s look at the following examples from the Bible:
      Mark 10:11 “Anyone who divorces his wife and marries another woman commits adultery against her.”
      Mark 10:12 “And if she divorces her husband and marries another man, she commits adultery.”
      More than 50% of Western Christians are divorced. Most of them have second marriages already, and they go to churches and act normally. They never consider their second or third marriages as invalid marriages. They never consider their lives with their new spouses as “adultery”. The ones who never marry again after their first marriage, they go and live with their boy-friends or girl-friends as if they were married.
      If you have absolutely no problem with fornication or adultery because of your mis-interpretation of John 8:1-11, then tell me, how is your Bible then supposed to stop some one from sleeping with his own mother, sister or father’s former wife?
      Since we are all humans (i.e. sinners), then using your dubious interpretation of John 8:1-11, then no one should be prevented!
      Also, how is your Bible then supposed to prevent an uncle from sleeping with his own niece or nephew?
      How is your Bible supposed to prevent men from marrying other men and women from marrying other women? Oh, wait, doesn’t this already exist among Christians in the State of California, USA? The Christian men over there are allowed to marry other Christian men and the Christian women are allowed to marry other Christian women. They even have their Gays and Lesbians Churches.

      • Fang says:

        All those supposedly sinful acts you refer to above ,danish sheikh, are condemned by christians, unlike sex with animals in the koran which is advocated, not to mention all the other perversities you seem to love to indulge in, but cover with taqiyya when questioned on. Not all that happens in the “Christian” world is perfect, but it is condemned, not advocated. Can’t say the same about your sick tome now can you, unless you want to make a liar of yourself again.

        • danish shaikh says:

          Give me references i believe in reference like i have given……if you can’t then dont even comment anything!

    • danish shaikh says:

      The Bible is contradicting itself regarding adultery:

      For those Christians who think that John 8:1-11 is a justification to their Whoredom (i.e., committing illegal sex openly and freely as mentioned above), then let me tell you that your Bible is ambiguous, self-contradicting and unclear.
      Let’s assume for a second and go along with their arguments that John 8:1-11 indeed justifies illegal sex, then what about the following verse that clearly contradicts it?
      Jesus killed the adulteress’ children:
      “So I will cast her on a bed of suffering, and I will make those who commit adultery with her suffer intensely, unless they repent of her ways. I will strike her children dead. Then all the churches will know that I am he who searches hearts and minds, and I will repay each of you according to your deeds. (From the NIV Bible, Revelation 2:22-23)”

      All what the woman was doing is committing adultery, which is something very common among most Christians in the West today anyway with their “boyfriend-girlfriend living together” to “one night stand” to “having sex with his date or girlfriend”, etc… as clearly mentioned above.
      Of course Adultery is punishable in Islam. But I wonder why did Jesus kill the woman’s innocent children? What did they do? All this to prove something to the Churches?! I thought you should love your enemies and forgive them! It’s not like the woman had killed anybody!! Let alone her children didn’t have any part of Jesus and their mother! There is no record in the Bible of these children committing any crimes or sins!
      The Bible, with all due respect to Christians, is ridiculously ambiguous and self-contradicting! There is always room for finding excuses for wickedness as some extreme Christians do such as the Homosexuals and the Sexually Liberated. There is no solid ground for anything in the Bible. When you think you found an answer for a question or an issue, you can almost always find a contradiction or conflicting verse that nullifies it

      • smart one says:

        See this is where your stupid.. that verse is a parable.. it’s not about women and children at all its describing the whore of revelation. Man u are stupid. I’m not going to get into it coz it’s so long to explain but god often refers to churches as women.. He said his church is his bride. The whore is the Catholic Church. The children of the church and the branches are other protestant churches. Go research the whore of revelation. U dummy it’s not talking about a person at all.. it’s a parable u stupid muslim mutt. And while ur at it go research where your stupid religion comes from its a pagan moon god religion which came from baal you are really worshipping the devil

        • danish shaikh says:

          You wont get in to this because even you yourself knw that you won’t be able to defend it brother anyways ill still challenge you a debate

        • danish shaikh says:

          I can give you atleast fifty(there are more)contardiction fabrication…..u want to debate you just say yes

        • JohnBoy says:

          Oh ye, it was only a dumb ass fundamentalist interprets this verse as the wrote being the Catholic church and the branches being protestant ones. Haha haha, dope. Look at the belief of any early church farther and see if they were a lot more catholic in their beliefs then protestant. The Blessed Virgin, the real presence of Christ in the Eucharistic. And they didn’t just spilt off and make another ecclesiastical community if they weren’t alowed to clap and play instruments haha.

    • danish shaikh says:

      Please brother i replied all your questions….
      Please reply atleast to one question of mine…
      Thanking you in amticipation…..will suggest you only one plz use logic and just dont point out any religion with incomplete knowledge…..

    • danish shaikh says:

      Mr carlos where have you lost please reply ya now defend it please if you can

  77. danish shaikh says:

    If what’s right and what’s wrong is determined by our society only and not by the Bible, then what is the use and the point of having the Bible then?
    Is this a fair question?
    Where do you draw the boundaries for sinning in the Pornographic Bible, to help the Righteous be guided and given the proper directions to remain straight and not be led astray in the Christian Whoredom?
    Please visit Why do some Muslims call Americans and Westerners “Great Satan”?
    If it’s ok in Christianity to have sex before marriage, ok to live with someone without marriage (like boyfriend or girlfriend), ok to have anal sex with the same gender ok for the brother to sleep with his sister, ok for people to expose most of their bodies (by wearing bikinis for instance), ok to spread wickedness among society, then:

    • transparent says:

      Ignorance of our laws should never be an excuse. Ignorance based on a lack of education at an educational establishment based on a fairy tale is ridiculous. You are right however, there is no point in any religious manuscript. It’s all complete nonsense.

      • danish shaikh says:

        No i am not here to critisize about any religion but my point is that why people target only islam when they have incomplete knowledge and they dont even know anything about their own religion

      • danish shaikh says:

        See now this carlos malleum started first to critisize islam i just defended it and now wen i asked few questions to him so he ran away….atleast i am happy i removed that attitude of him in which he was thinking he is some great scholar….
        I pray for him that he get well soon and gets the right path

    • non Danish says:

      You appear to have forgotten the original subject here? Was the judge correct to be so lenient on an 18 year old having sex with a 13 year old on the excuse of religion and culture?? You may find that Christian Whoredom (very telling of your prejudice and intolerance of others) is not the problem here. The problem is more Muslim arrogance (no interest in the laws of host population) and sexism (Muslim school teaching females are worthless. If you need further enlightenment I am happy to help brother!!

      • danish shaikh says:

        Brother brother islam never allows illegal sex or rape…..its a very big sin in islam…..if a school is teaching all this in the name of islam it should be shut immediately….ya the judge made a wrong decision but according to islam he has done a sin and he os punishable…..
        Women are never worthless in islam the comcept of women in islam is taken up very badly by the society….dont go on the talks of this terrorists which claims they are muslims i dont take the enemy of humanity and peace is a muslim because islam is a religion of peace and humanity it teaches manners
        Women is highly esteemed in islam
        Se what the noble quran says about women In Islam there is absolutely no difference between men and women as far as their relationship to Allah is concerned, as both are promised the same reward for good conduct and the same punishment for evil conduct. The Quran says:

        “And for women are rights over men similar to those of men over women.” [Noble Quran 2:228]

        • Cripps says:

          Noble Koran? must be new. I still use the soft Koran for WIPING MY ASS on my crapper….

        • Fang says:

          Oh dear, the untruths just do not stop falling from your filthy face, you two faced double standard islamic turd. Go away, we are over you. Just stop lying, you are starting to believe your own demented lies.

    • Fang says:

      danish sheikh, what are you going to call yourself when the Danish people fully wake up to you parasites in their country and kick you out? How dare you question the contents of the bible when you idolise a tome as perverted and sick as the koran. Whilst I am not a christian, I do recognise that the bible has moved with the times, not like islam which is trying hard to drag the world, and its islamic devotees back into the dark ages, where it has festered for 1400 years.

    • Barrister99 says:

      Catholics mate, Christians don’t care as long as you love everyone as God loves you. The Bible says ‘Love thy neighbour.’ Not ‘Don’t have sex before you are married or go and rape teenage girls.’

      • danish shaikh says:

        Give me reference what you claiming for my religion please just dont comment to get popularity….i am too sure you have no knowledge of any religion its just you being egoistic

  78. rick says:

    Ffking Muslims.. kill every last one

    • danish shaikh says:

      You will kill how please explain….y so much hatred brother…..dont worry if unfortunately not you( i pray for you also)….your next generation will accept the truth and follow the religion of peace

      • Ray Curtis says:

        Theres so much hatred because your religion is disgusting. I am atheist I believe religion as a whole is stupid, but to worship a paedophile is mind blowing. Just sets an example for your whole species. I hope you all die a painful death when your attempt to physically take our nation or we take it allback. Vole scum of the earth.

        • danish shaikh says:

          Normally, when I meet an atheist, the first thing I like to do is to congratulate him and say, ” My special congratulations to you”, because most of the people who believe in God are doing blind belief – he is a Christian, because his father is a Christian; he is a Hindu, because his father is a Hindu; the majority of the people in the world are blindly following the religion of their fathers. An atheist, on the other hand, even though he may belong to a religious family, uses his intellect to deny the existence of God; what ever concept or qualities of God he may have learnt in his religion may not seem to be logical to him.
          My Muslim brothers may question me, “Danish, why are you congratulating an atheist?” The reason that I am congratulating an atheist is because he agrees with the first part of the Shahada i.e. the Islamic Creed, ‘La ilaaha’ – meaning ‘there is no God’. So half my job is already done; now the only part left is ‘il lallah’ i.e. ‘BUT ALLAH’ which I shall do Insha Allah. With others (who are not atheists) I have to first remove from their minds the wrong concept of God they may have and then put the correct concept of one true God.


          My first question to the atheist will be: “What is the definition of God?” For a person to say there is no God, he should know what is the meaning of God. If I hold a book and say that ‘this is a pen’, for the opposite person to say, ‘it is not a pen’, he should know what is the definition of a pen, even if he does not know nor is able to recognise or identify the object I am holding in my hand. For him to say this is not a pen, he should at least know what a pen means. Similarly for an atheist to say ‘there is no God’, he should at least know the concept of God. His concept of God would be derived from the surroundings in which he lives. The god that a large number of people worship has got human qualities – therefore he does not believe in such a god. Similarly a Muslim too does not and should not believe in such false gods.

          If a non-Muslim believes that Islam is a merciless religion with something to do with terrorism; a religion which does not give rights to women; a religion which contradicts science; in his limited sense that non-Muslim is correct to reject such Islam. The problem is he has a wrong picture of Islam. Even I reject such a false picture of Islam, but at the same time, it becomes my duty as a Muslim to present the correct picture of Islam to that non-Muslim i.e. Islam is a merciful religion, it gives equal rights to the women, it is not incompatible with logic, reason and science; if I present the correct facts about Islam, that non-Muslim may Inshallah accept Islam.

          Similarly the atheist rejects the false gods and the duty of every Muslim is to present the correct concept of God which he shall Insha Allah not refuse.

          (You may refer to my article, ‘Concept of God in Islam’, for more details)


          The methods of proving the existence of God with usage of the material provided in the ‘Concept of God in Islam’ to an atheist may satisfy some but not all.

          Many atheists demand a scientific proof for the existence of God. I agree that today is the age of science and technology. Let us use scientific knowledge to kill two birds with one stone, i.e. to prove the existence of God and simultaneously prove that the Qur’an is a revelation of God.

          If a new object or a machine, which no one in the world has ever seen or heard of before, is shown to an atheist or any person and then a question is asked, ” Who is the first person who will be able to provide details of the mechanism of this unknown object? After little bit of thinking, he will reply, ‘the creator of that object.’ Some may say ‘the producer’ while others may say ‘the manufacturer.’ What ever answer the person gives, keep it in your mind, the answer will always be either the creator, the producer, the manufacturer or some what of the same meaning, i.e. the person who has made it or created it. Don’t grapple with words, whatever answer he gives, the meaning will be same, therefore accept it.

          SCIENTIFIC FACTS MENTIONED IN THE QUR’AN: for details on this subject please refer to my book, ‘THE QUR’AN AND MODERN SCIENCE – COMPATIBLE OR INCOMPATIBLE?


          In mathematics there is a theory known as ‘Theory of Probability’. If you have two options, out of which one is right, and one is wrong, the chances that you will chose the right one is half, i.e. one out of the two will be correct. You have 50% chances of being correct. Similarly if you toss a coin the chances that your guess will be correct is 50% (1 out of 2) i.e. 1/2. If you toss a coin the second time, the chances that you will be correct in the second toss is again 50% i.e. half. But the chances that you will be correct in both the tosses is half multiplied by half (1/2 x 1/2) which is equal to 1/4 i.e. 50% of 50% which is equal to 25%. If you toss a coin the third time, chances that you will be correct all three times is (1/2 x 1/2 x 1/2) that is 1/8 or 50% of 50% of 50% that is 12½%.

          A dice has got six sides. If you throw a dice and guess any number between 1 to 6, the chances that your guess will be correct is 1/6. If you throw the dice the second time, the chances that your guess will be correct in both the throws is (1/6 x 1/6) which is equal to 1/36. If you throw the dice the third time, the chances that all your three guesses are correct is (1/6 x 1/6 x 1/6) is equal to 1/216 that is less than 0.5 %.

          Let us apply this theory of probability to the Qur’an, and assume that a person has guessed all the information that is mentioned in the Qur’an which was unknown at that time. Let us discuss the probability of all the guesses being simultaneously correct.

          At the time when the Qur’an was revealed, people thought the world was flat, there are several other options for the shape of the earth. It could be triangular, it could be quadrangular, pentagonal, hexagonal, heptagonal, octagonal, spherical, etc. Lets assume there are about 30 different options for the shape of the earth. The Qur’an rightly says it is spherical, if it was a guess the chances of the guess being correct is 1/30.

          The light of the moon can be its own light or a reflected light. The Qur’an rightly says it is a reflected light. If it is a guess, the chances that it will be correct is 1/2 and the probability that both the guesses i.e the earth is spherical and the light of the moon is reflected light is 1/30 x 1/2 = 1/60.

          Further, the Qur’an also mentions every living thing is made of water. Every living thing can be made up of either wood, stone, copper, aluminum, steel, silver, gold, oxygen, nitrogen, hydrogen, oil, water, cement, concrete, etc. The options are say about 10,000. The Qur’an rightly says that everything is made up of water. If it is a guess, the chances that it will be correct is 1/10,000 and the probability of all the three guesses i.e. the earth is spherical, light of moon is reflected light and everything is created from water being correct is 1/30 x 1/2 x 1/10,000 = 1/60,000 which is equal to about .0017%.

          The Qur’an speaks about hundreds of things that were not known to men at the time of its revelation. Only in three options the result is .0017%. I leave it upto you, to work out the probability if all the hundreds of the unknown facts were guesses, the chances of all of them being correct guesses simultaneously and there being not a single wrong guess. It is beyond human capacity to make all correct guesses without a single mistake, which itself is sufficient to prove to a logical person that the origin of the Qur’an is Divine.


          The only logical answer to the question as to who could have mentioned all these scientific facts 1400 years ago before they were discovered, is exactly the same answer initially given by the atheist or any person, to the question who will be the first person who will be able to tell the mechanism of the unknown object. It is the ‘CREATOR’, the producer, the Manufacturer of the whole universe and its contents. In the English language He is ‘God’, or more appropriate in the Arabic language, ‘ALLAH’.


          Let me remind you that the Qur’an is not a book of Science, ‘S-C-I-E-N-C-E’ but a book of Signs ‘S-I-G-N-S’ i.e. a book of ayaats. The Qur’an contains more than 6,000 ayaats, i.e. ‘signs’, out of which more than a thousand speak about Science. I am not trying to prove that the Qur’an is the word of God using scientific knowledge as a yard stick because any yardstick is supposed to be more superior than what is being checked or verified. For us Muslims the Qur’an is the Furqan i.e. criteria to judge right from wrong and the ultimate yardstick which is more superior to scientific knowledge.

          But for an educated man who is an atheist, scientific knowledge is the ultimate test which he believes in. We do know that science many a times takes ‘U’ turns, therefore I have restricted the examples only to scientific facts which have sufficient proof and evidence and not scientific theories based on assumptions. Using the ultimate yardstick of the atheist, I am trying to prove to him that the Qur’an is the word of God and it contains the scientific knowledge which is his yardstick which was discovered recently, while the Qur’an was revealed 1400 year ago. At the end of the discussion, we both come to the same conclusion that God though superior to science, is not incompatible with it.


          Francis Bacon, the famous philosopher, has rightly said that a little knowledge of science makes man an atheist, but an in-depth study of science makes him a believer in God. Scientists today are eliminating models of God, but they are not eliminating God. If you translate this into Arabic, it is La illaha illal la, There is no god, (god with a small ‘g’ that is fake god) but God (with a capital ‘G’).

          Surah Fussilat:

          “Soon We will show them our signs in the (farthest) regions (of the earth), and in their own souls, until it becomes manifest to them that this is the Truth. Is it not enough that thy Lord doth witness all things?”

          [Al-Quran 41:53

          • Cripps says:

            I have a huge pile of Korans right in my home. They sit in a place of honor…
            Right beside my toilet.. cause WIPING MY ASS with it is the best use for it.

          • danish shaikh says:

            Its very sad that uneducated uncivilised people like you speak anything without knowledge…..this negative comment of yours shows how inferior you feel!

          • Lanesra says:

            Uneducated…..its a shame Muslims are not educated in the British ways and especially in the law of the land. Sorry but this moron knew what he was doing. Shall we set up Sharia law for you or only when it suits.

          • Fang says:

            Haaa Haaaaa Haaaa Haaaa. I can only laugh reading this crap above, but I laugh even louder because in your cowardly way you pretend to believe it. Grow some balls and denounce islam, for the crap it is.

          • Diane Futrell says:

            And you follow Islam because a pedophile came out of a cave and told someone that he had been given some prophecy.

          • danish shaikh says:

            Why so much hatred forthe religion….why dont you keep your ego aside and think and use logic

          • You owe me a new bullshit meter!

        • danish shaikh says:

          My reply is little long brother but i hope it will convince you little….brother i will say only one thing dont hate the religion bro this terrorists who are spoiling islam name they arent muslim brother islam is a religion of peace trust me on that front…..Terrorism have no religion bro.any questions u have please go ahead and ask inshallah ill reply

          • Fang says:

            Not all muslims are terrorists, but ALL terrorists are muslim. Taqiyya if you deny that.

          • Barrister99 says:

            If you were a religion of peace you wouldn’t have Muslims raping 13 year old CHILDREN.

          • danish shaikh says:

            Alabama Catholic Girl Died While Being Sexually Assaulted By Father, Says District Attorney…..what you have to say about this mr…..i am not offending any religion by this news i am trying to explain why people take islam so negatively when this type of things happens in all religions…..and i agree tht criminals like this should be punished no matter which religion the belong to

      • Fang says:

        Danish Shaikh, you are taking the piss industrial strength. He is not your brother, and don’t you ever pray for him if you are islamic! You do not have the right.

      • karen gozra says:

        danish shaikh, im sure your a very sweet forgiving person, i myself am an agnostic, i have an open mind to all religion, but believe it to me a man made creation and like any man made thing can be toxic, spirituality is a different matter, it comes from the heart, mind and soul, you ask why all this hate, i would assume it is because it seems to many none Muslims that some of the horrific acts that have been happening in Europe have yet to be condemned by the Muslim population as a whole, whether this be in France, Denmark or what was happening to the children in rotherham or this child that has been raped, no one can accuse Europeans of not being amazingly tolerant to everyone’s belief and rights to practice their faiths, and we have bent over backwards to accommodate muslims in Europe especially here in Britain, there are nearly 2000 mosques alone, many collages and work places have prayer rooms, we have no problem in hosting your religious festivals ie ead, even have toned down our own festivals like xmas, as we go out of our way not to offend, as a nation we have abolished many of our own morals, for instance Britain was once known as a nation of animal lovers we had some of the highest standards for animal welfare in the world, yet we now permit halal slaughter, animals having their throats cut while still conscious, this was outlawed decades ago in Britain as it was seen as barbaric, an Abattoir would have its licence removed if these practices were found, and it seems children’ s rights are now going out the back door, we have seen over the last few months the rape and prostitution of young children on a huge scale, by Pakistani men, yet no one has been prosecuted for these vile acts, we also have seen a rise in young children and women who have undergone the vile practice of female genital mutilation, yet no prosecutions, this is abuse at its highest levels, which would not have been tolerated a couple of decades ago, but now blind eyes are turned, many British people fought hard for women, childrens and animal rights, can you not see why people are getting upset

  79. kj10 says:

    Don’t live in England and with no idea of the laws. As if he didn’t know.. what a tool. If he thought women were worthless why was he talking to one in the first place?!
    I’m not racist one bit, but if that had been an English man they would throw the book at him!
    RAPE is rape whether he’s from a Muslim background or an abused background, if that happened to his daughter he’d want the guy hung by his nether regions.

    • womenRule says:

      Unfortunately it would have been the daughter that got hanged and not
      the guy because it would have been her fault for tempting him in the first place. This makes me sick. We’ve put men behind bars that weren’t the full 16 oz for doing lesser crimes . . .so what’s the difference with this one.

  80. Noah says:

    All the religions in the world have absolutly nothing to do with what this boy has done,morals and common sence is all that’s needed to know what is wrong and what is right, quoting the Quran and bible the both I find have beautiful and disgraceful passages, have been written and twisted into what a paticular religion want, I’m not associated with any particular religion but I belive that if there is a god, a good and loving god, all he/she would want is for everyone to live to their best, be kind, companionate , careing look out for each other.. That is the only ideal I would want to live by…

  81. Wesley says:

    Ignorantia juris non excusat – ignorance of the law does not excuse

    Thought this was what the law usually say in response to people sayiing they didn’t know what they did was breaking the law?

    I guess that doesn’t apply now?

    Sad times.

  82. Noah says:

    I forgot to add to my last post… Rape is Rape no matter what religion you belong to, playing ignorant is pathetic and the judge that was on the case and made this abhorrent decision needs a new career

  83. Annette Bertelsen says:

    That school needs shutting down immediately!

  84. Kelly says:

    I’m seriously hating this country! Haven’t got a problem who comes into the country but they need to abide by our laws! And if they break the laws, they should be sent straight bk! I’m sure that judge would think differently if it was his 13 yr old daughter! Disgusting!

    • Yaqoot Keyani says:

      Send him back where exactly? He’s British. He should be locked up 100%, but he’s hardly an immigrant. He was born here and is just using his religion as an excuse to get out of his crime. The cunt needs locking up ASAP.

    • janet says:

      Kelly I totally agree with you on that one ….. when in rome …. people have no respect today

  85. 1_That_other_guy says:

    So if her father kills this piece of garbage because he has been insulted by what he has done to his daughter, then he will get off with a warning. After all it is legal to kill Muslims most everywhere else on the planet.

  86. nowt2do2 says:

    What does his religion say about sex outside marriage

  87. guest says:

    People here are being racist can I just say that women are treated equally in fact better than men, women completes half the males faith when married, the women has the right over the males wages, when the female is a mother heaven Is under her foot. This is just a few examples I have gave their are many more about women.
    I agree that what that guy did was wrong he seriously deserves to be jailed for what he did.

  88. Mshefi says:

    Whatever happened to “ignorance of the law is no excuse for breaking it”?

  89. Bepe-j says:

    Has anyone else twigged on to the fact that danish shaikh is not one person?

  90. ks says:

    Ignorantia juris non excusat – it seems to me that the law of the state applies in Muslim countries regardless of an accused persons religion. The Judge is WRONG on this one.

  91. nasty...nas says:

    Why is it when a muslim does somethng wrong you have to state that it is a muslim, but if he is from any othere religion it would have sai something like guy with mental illness or somethin like dat. But when it is a muslim they ha e to state he is a musli and he did this act because of his religion…before you thick S.O.B’s say anything make sure you got your facts right….

    • Harry7 says:

      Because he himself used his religion to get away with it …duuhhhh

      • nasty...nas says:

        Oh well i dont see wer it says rape is ok in islam…so the judge, the scum and the media need to sort themselves out…cos they say things that are not true…

      • nasty...nas says:

        And also i could give you plenty of examples of when they do use muslim in the headlines even though it has nothing to do with muslims…its just a way in which to give a bad name about the true religion by the disbelievers…

    • Not a Happy bunny says:

      I am an agnostic, I have afew Muslim Friends who are loving, funny, generous people, who Love there wives and children. It’s the mindless minority who spoil and tar everyone else against the Muslim beliefs. Why do people fear what they don’t understand?. Every Religion has caused some chaos at some point…Look at Christianity!!!..I try not to judge anyone, it’s not big or clever…Peace and Happiness to all❤

    • Truth says:

      Erm ……… It is because he used his religion as the excuse you thicko !! Haha

  92. nasty...nas says:

    And by the way you all fear the religion dats all it is…every1 is scared of muslims n fear them dats all it really is…and yes you shud fear us….u cowards…

  93. KStar says:

    im muslim and ill say this clearly, his school is fucked up o.O
    why do u think most muslim reverts/converts are women? because they notice that Islam respects women as equal to men and in many cases women have higher priorities…but wtf his school makin women out to be lollypops or some crap like that…woow thats weird as fuck. he should have got sentence tbh, wether religous views or not,there was no excuses he fucked an underaged girl. but i “like” how the media and the many people in the comments just point their fingers at the “muslim” side to all this when, the media dosent express that in Islam its forbidden to have sex with anyone unless she/he is your wife/husband. Sad to see an indivisual make a Islam look bad…

  94. la la land says:

    by reading the first line I knew the person who wrote this is an islamophobic..

  95. Michelle Burrows says:

    Adil Rashid hasn’t been locked in a shed in the bush all his life. The bloke used facebook to groom the girl and arrange the meeting (over months?) so I’m betting he’s been using the internet for other stuff as well. He’s a long way from uninformed if he uses social media. And if he though it was ok why sneak off to a hotel? Why not knock on her door and ask her parents to hand her over. Because of this bit of his education:…’ It was made clear to you at the school you attended that having sexual
    relations with a woman before marriage was contrary to the precepts of
    He knew what he was doing was wrong and did it anyway.

    • Just maybe says:

      I agree what he did was wrong but also why is the girl seducing him and then willing to do such acts with him. They are both at fault or neither at fault as both so called did wrong yet age seems to dictate who “should have known more” I know most of the underage girls are doing these and other sexual acts all over yet in this case he makes the news why? Because he is Muslim of course
      to promote hate for said religion. So obvious yet easily consumed by sheep. Maybe the real criminals are the girls and boys parents for not teaching them not too or even the girls school for not teaching it’s wrong, the boys school did say its wrong. The crime should be judged and all people involved the law system is wrong here.

  96. Frank says:

    If that was my daughter, he’d be having ‘sex’ with his 72 Virgins, and chatting with Mohammed now……………..injustice if ever I saw it!!

    • danish shaikh says:

      Frank to be very FRANK dont drag any religion unecessarily… my comments if you want…the accused is punishable doubtless…..blame the law of the country stupid excuse the judge gave to free him… is same for everyone whether he is muslim christian or belongs to any other religion….no religion teaches to rape or illegal sex… fact there is great punishment for this type of sin in islam amd its considered one of the biggest sin in islam…..i hope i made it clear for you!

      • Graham Gibbons says:

        Islam also teaches that you should kill any member of your religion who renounces Islam.

        The funny thing about prayer is this.

        You as a God fearing man or women , Christian or Muslim etc , Believe that their is a Creator of the Universe.

        You believe that this GOD is perfect.
        You believe that this GOD has a master plan.

        And some how you believe that just sometimes .. this GOD gets this master plan wrong and if you PRAY he might just correct his mistakes and grant you your desire he so foolishly overlooked.

        Oh and GO FUCK YOURSELF.

        ISLAM is fucking sick.
        So is Christianity to be honest. You can both go suck a dick.

        • danish shaikh says:

          Nice question brother
          Divine Destiny, also called Divine determination and arrangement, dominates the universe but does not cancel our free will.

          Since God is beyond time and space and everything is included in His Knowledge, He encompasses the past, present and future as a single, undivided point. For example: When you are in a room, your view is restricted to the room. But if you look from a higher point, you can see the whole city. As you rise higher and higher, your vision continues to broaden. The Earth, when seen from the moon, appears to be a small blue marble. It is the same with time. So, all time and space are encompassed by God as a single, undivided point, into which the past, present and future are united.
          Since all time and space are included in God’s Knowledge as a single point, God recorded everything that will happen until the Day of Judgment. Angels use this record to prepare a smaller record for each individual.
          We do not do something because God recorded it; God knew beforehand we would do it and so recorded it.
          There are not two destinies: one for the cause, the other for the effect. Destiny is one and relates to the cause and the effect simultaneously. Our free will, which causes our acts, is included in Destiny.
          God guides us to good things and actions, and allows and advises us to use our willpower for good. In return, He promises us eternal happiness in Paradise.

          We have free will, although we contribute almost nothing to our good acts. Our free will, if not used properly, can destroy us. Therefore we should use it to benefit ourselves by praying to God, so that we may enjoy the blessings of Paradise, a fruit of the chain of good deeds, and attain eternal happiness. Furthermore, we should always seek God’s forgiveness so that we might refrain from evil and be saved from the torments of Hell, a fruit of the accursed chain of evil deeds. Prayer and trusting in God greatly strengthen our inclination toward good, and repentance and seeking God’s forgiveness greatly weaken, even destroy, our inclination toward evil and transgression.

          • nobby says:

            Very interesting, however you have overlooked ine tiny but crucial point…..

            There is no such thing as god, its a fairy story!

    • Guest says:

      It is clearly injustice to let ignorance dictate his punishment…wrong message given that young girls are not to be respected and that this islam idiot has more respect…shame on the justice system for clearly setting the stage for more rapes

    • Ray says:

      Frank – how many teachers do you hear that have sex with their students? You must know of 18 year olds sleeping with someone below the age of 18. In each case, the perpetrators’ faith has not been called into question – but it has here. Prince Andrew – suspected of sleeping with an underage girl – what would you call him? the establishment being accused of covering up sex with young boys in Dolphin Square, London – religious motivation? The boy in this scenario hid under the claim that he was not aware – clearly untrue as stated by the Judge as Islam (and most monotheistic faiths) state that there should be no sex before marriage yet this boy proceeded to have sex with the under age girl. In clear breach of his religious principles. It is the Court’s fault for accepting that he was naive – however there may have been some consideration given to his age as he was 18 and not any older. Get an education stop being a religious bigot!

  97. Say says:

    It is clearly injustice to let ignorance dictate his punishment…wrong message given that young girls are not to be respected and that this discusting islam man has more respect…shame on the justice system for clearly setting the stage for more rapes

  98. Nagshead says:

    Why should he care when the person he worships married and raped a nine year old girl !

    • danish shaikh says:

      People like you are the enemy of humanity out of inferiority and ego u speak any crap and

      • Rose Marie says:

        Quit preaching to people, danish, no one wants to hear your biased opinions..

      • Christian says:

        No ! It’s people like YOU who are the enemy of the whole world mate.
        Grow up.
        Get off your high , religious , horse and see this for what it is.
        The nasty little men who teach these nasty little boys that it’s ok to treat females like a lolly pop on the ground are ” the animals”
        This dirty little scum bag knew what he was doing and he knew it was wrong. Both in English law and morally. He simply got caught and hid like a coward behind his sick religion.
        There is no place for Islamic schools or Islamic brainwashing in our society !
        And don’t start throwing the Racism card about like a weapon because it’s wearing too thin now. We’re ALL sick of it.
        Adapt or leave !like we would have to in an Islamic country. SIMPLE.

      • BlueScreenOfDeath says:

        Ah, more taqyyia…

        Haven’t you got a gang rape victim to stone, Abdul?

        Or perhaps a gay or an apostate?

  99. Steven says:

    Well then… I’d jail him… And then immediately shut the school down and outlaw such hateful teachings being spouted in my country under-penalty of immediate deportation.

    • Common sense says:

      So the priests raping kids you would close the church and deport the uk priests to where? Next door to you?

      • Christian says:

        We are reading these stories on a daily basis now. What we all really want is to Deport these pieces of garbage to a muslim country !!! We don’t want them here . More and more people are starting to kick the “Racism” card up its backside because it’s wearing thin now. We’re ALL sick of it.
        This little paedophile is the result of allowing them to have Islamic schools in our country. IE. … Islam promotes pheadophiles !! simple as that . They are revolting and Disgusting !!!
        Unfortunatetly in their own countries a poor 9 yr old girl can be raped and it is accepted and legal . And why ? ………
        Because The whole religion is sick, twisted, chauvinist , immoral, anti women, pro paedophiles , racist against EVERY other religion in the world , hated and unwelcome in western society .
        The whole world in fact is turning against it more and more every day.
        Muslims will very soon be despised by the whole planet and the best bit is , it’s all self inflicted. Give them enoughe Rope !!!

  100. Anish Fonseka says:

    the problem is how do we draw a line.. maybe the guy did’nt have the ethical code that dictated that this was wrong however should not the girl who would have suffered psychological abuse whether she knows it or not be given closure

  101. Vikki says:

    Religion shouldn’t mean one thing applies to you and not the other he in the uk slept with a 13 year old he should be on sex offenders and in jail simple as

  102. danish shaikh says:

    Christians have often presented their religion as a religion of love and peace while presented Islam as a religion of war and sword. In the modern media Muslims and Islam have often been covered in a way which reinforces this old perception. For Muslims who have time to think about such things the Christian and Western perceptions appear as a complete disregard of the most obvious facts. In what follows I discuss this issue from the point of view of the teachings of the two religions as well as the conduct of their adherents through history.
    Christian conduct
    For centuries now Christian nations have been busy beating up one Muslim nation or another. In the Middle Ages they came as crusaders. Then they colonized many Muslim countries and tried to destroy their cultures and religion. During their struggle for independence some Muslims had to suffer terrible violence. The French killed about a million Muslims in Algeria because they wanted independence. In a way this French war against Islam and Muslims is still continuing through the support of the military dictatorship in Algeria against the Muslim party that was set to win elections and persecutions in France of Muslim men with beards and Muslim women with hijab. The USA and Britain killed hundreds of thousands of Iraqis (with the approval of about 90% of their people) without letting the world see the blood, thus practicing a lesson learned during the Vietnam war. Serbs have killed hundreds of thousands of Muslims and raped thousands of women in Bosnia and Kosovo. Although in these lands, a combination of rare circumstances put the West (USA and Western Europe) on the side of the Muslims, this did no good to them because the Western powers did not want to loose any of their own soldiers. Had the West left the Muslim Bosnians and ethnic Albanians to their fate without putting an arms embargo on them, their suffering would not have been any greater.
    Israel has been for half a century destroying the Palestinian people with the help of arms and financial and moral support provided by the USA, the very sort of crimes that have been committed by the Serbs against the people of Kosovo and which have been condemned by the West, even though there were no cameras to record the cries of the Palestinians and photograph the pictures of the massacred people and burning homes. In Lebanon when Christians were in the majority there was war, but now that the Muslims are in the majority there is peace except in the south of the country where Christians have been helping a foreign enemy against their own countrymen. When an American president needs to divert his people’s attention away from his sex scandal the easiest thing he finds is to bomb Muslim countries — Afghanistan, Sudan and Iraq — because he knows that this will be approved by a vast majority of his people. And then there is the media which is ever busy in maligning the Muslims while they do not at this point in time possess the resources to speak up: for every word spoken/written by a Muslim and heard/read by one person, a thousand words from a Christian are received by a thousand persons in the world. At the international level the voices of the Muslims are all but drowned by the Christian voices and those Christian voices are for the most part condemnatory. If a cartoonist was to depict the situation between the Western and Muslim civilizations, he or she will draw a weaker person not able or inclined to stand up or to speak while another stronger person is standing over him with a big stick, now and then beating him, and all the while shouting to him in a loud voice: you are a violent man.
    It is important for both Muslims and Christians to ask: What will the Christian be if the tables were turned and their lands were first colonized by Muslims and then bombed or maligned or ethnically cleansed? If the past is any guide, the answer is clear: There will be a vicious reaction and given the chance an attempt at almost total destruction of the Muslims. For in Spain Muslims lived for about 850 years as rulers. They lived with Jews and Christians for the most part in a spirit of tolerance and cooperation in promoting science and culture to the point that their work prepared for the modern scientific revolution with all its benefits for mankind. But the moment Muslims became weaker, the hate in the Catholic heart came out with a vengeance. Muslims were either killed, converted, or forced to leave Spain and their heritage was as fully destroyed as was humanly possible. Before Palestine and Kosovo, there was Spain.
    Above, I have mentioned only what the Christian nations have been doing or are doing to the Muslims. But when we look at what they have done to each other or to other people any validity in their claim of being people of love and peace vanishes, at least as far as Western Protestant or Catholic Christians are concerned. The horrible treatment of the heretics and witches in the Middle Ages probably inspired the tyrants of later centuries. The native peoples of the Americas, Australia, and New Zealand bear a tragic witness to what Christian nations can do to other nations and with the blessings and assistance of Christian churches. In this century alone the Western nations have fought two world wars with tens of millions dead and untold misery for the living. For each victory in these two wars the church bells rang in the victorious countries. The first nation to make a weapon of mass destruction and the only one to use it is a Christian nation.
    Had not the toll of death mounted too high for the Americans there can be little doubt that the fate of North Vietnam would have been like that of Iraq: it would have been bombed to submission no matter how many Vietnamese lives would have been lost. The lesson learned in North Vietnam was not that there should be no more war but that never again the American casualties would be allowed to mount so high and never again the cameras would be allowed to get so near the horrors of war that a backlash against the war would be created in the public. Often Christian countries have some hand even in the violent conflicts in non-Christian countries in Africa and Asia. The colonial policy of divide and rule sowed seeds of conflicts that later resulted in violence between the groups that the colonial powers turned against one another. Palestinian-Jewish conflict and the Kashmir issue are among the legacy of colonialism. After the colonial period interference by the Western countries continued in the internal affairs of African and Asian countries. More recently, Iran-Iraq war was encouraged by the West so that the Islamic revolution in Iran may not spread to the Arabian peninsula. The military government in Algeria which cancelled the elections that Muslims were poised to win has the support of France and this support is partly responsible for the violence there, which, it seems, is mostly done by the military.
    In Rwanda the tribe that perpetuated a holocaust of another tribe follows the Catholic religion. The most cruel tyrant in history came from a Christian country and there has been no shortage of other somewhat less ruthless dictators in Christian countries, especially in South America and Africa.
    Even in terrorism, associated in the media mostly with the Muslims, it is the Christians that hold the record when it comes to the number of children and other innocent people killed. The Oklahoma bombing, carried out by people professing to be Christians, claimed more completely innocent victims than any other single act of terrorism. Terrorism in Northern Ireland which is a direct result of a sectarian conflict between Catholics and Protestants and is often supported by the religious leaders, has probably killed more children and innocent people than Middle East terrorism. Moreover, Muslim terrorism is mostly linked to the sort of unjust treatment suffered by the Palestinians whereas the Oklahoma bombing and, to a lesser degree, Irish terrorism is difficult to link in such a way.
    Now and then there appear religious sects whose beliefs lead them to violence. David Koreish armed his followers to teeth and led them to their violent death. There seem to exist several Millennium groups who are planning to engage in violence around the year 2000. Several doctors have been murdered by anti-abortionists and some Catholic leaders have not categorically condemned these killings. In some cases the violent impulses in Christian groups turn against the groups themselves. Jim Jones led hundreds of his followers to commit suicide.
    Then there is racial violence, by no means dissociated from Christianity. Black churches have been burned in America and recently some Americans tied a black man with a rope and dragged him by their truck until he died. Such acts are often carried out by members of groups who also carry crosses. And in South Africa the inhuman system of apartheid was maintained by the church-going white community with the blessing of the churches and indeed the apartheid was practiced by the churches themselves.
    At an individual level, too, most horrible examples of violence are seen in the Western Christian nations. In some American and British cities a car driver may take out his gun and shoot senselessly whoever happens to be passing by. There are many cases of church-going and Christmas-celebrating serial killers who are privately busy sexually attacking young men or women, killing them in the most horrible way, and then burying them in their backyards. Also, prior to the media focus on churches cases of gross sexual and other abuse of orphans by the Catholic priests and brothers were not infrequent. And there are even larger number of examples of church-going parents who torture their children to death or to destroy them mentally by incestuous relations. In one such case, an American father recently killed his son by injecting him with the Aids virus.
    One may object that we are concentrating only on the negative, not providing any background analysis, and are not making necessary distinctions between various brands of Christianity and between secular and religious tendencies in the Christian world. But this is precisely what the Christians do to Muslims. They mostly talk and ask about acts of violence taking place in the vast Muslim world without making any distinctions, or analyzing them properly, or balancing them with the positive

    • Not a Happy bunny says:

      Very compelling, I found this really interesting. Well said

    • ladylips100 says:

      Let’s face it thought some Muslims have many Wives and they present their daughters at an age as young as 9 I believe for marriage. With these type of things going on when they come to the UK they think n act as they are used to.

      • danish shaikh says:



        Why is a man allowed to have more than one wife in Islam? i.e. why is polygamy allowed in Islam?


        Definition of Polygamy

        1. Polygamy means a system of marriage whereby one person has more than one spouse. Polygamy can be of two types. One is polygyny where a man marries more than one woman, and the other is polyandry, where a woman marries more than one man. In Islam, limited polygyny is permitted; whereas polyandry is completely prohibited.

        Now coming to the original question, why is a man allowed to have more than one wife?

        2. The Qur’an is the only religious scripture in the world that says,”marry only one”.

        The Qur’an is the only religious book, on the face of this earth, that contains the phrase ‘marry only one’. There is no other religious book that instructs men to have only one wife. In none of the other religious scriptures, whether it be the Vedas, the Ramayan, the Mahabharat, the Geeta, the Talmud or the Bible does one find a restriction on the number of wives. According to these scriptures one can marry as many as one wishes. It was only later, that the Hindu priests and the Christian Church restricted the number of wives to one.

        Many Hindu religious personalities, according to their scriptures, had multiple wives. King Dashrat, the father of Rama, had more than one wife. Krishna had several wives.

        In earlier times, Christian men were permitted as many wives as they wished, since the Bible puts no restriction on the number of wives. It was only a few centuries ago that the Church restricted the number of wives to one.

        Polygyny is permitted in Judaism. According to Talmudic law, Abraham had three wives, and Solomon had hundreds of wives. The practice of polygyny continued till Rabbi Gershom ben Yehudah (95% C.E to 1030 C.E) issued an edict against it. The Jewish Sephardic communities living in Muslim countries continued the practice till as late as 1950, until an Act of the Chief Rabbinate of Israel extended the ban on marrying more than one wife.

        3. Hindus are more polygynous than Muslims

        The report of the ‘Committee of The Status of Woman in Islam’, published in 1975 mentions on page numbers 66 and 67 that the percentage of polygamous marriages between the years 1951 and 1961 was 5.06% among the Hindus and only 4.31% among the Muslims. According to Indian law only Muslim men are permitted to have more than one wife. It is illegal for any non-Muslim in India to have more than one wife. Despite it being illegal, Hindus have more multiple wives as compared to Muslims. Earlier, there was no restriction even on Hindu men with respect to the number of wives allowed. It was only in 1954, when the Hindu Marriage Act was passed that it became illegal for a Hindu to have more than one wife. At present it is the Indian Law that restricts a Hindu man from having more than one wife and not the Hindu scriptures.

        Let us now analyse why Islam allows a man to have more than one wife.

        4. Qur’an permits limited polygyny

        As I mentioned earlier, Qur’an is the only religious book on the face of the earth that says ‘marry only one’. The context of this phrase is the following verse from Surah Nisa of the Glorious Qur’an:

        “Marry women of your choice, two, or three, or four; but if ye fear that ye shall not be able to deal justly (with them), then only one.”

        [Al-Qur’an 4:3]

        Before the Qur’an was revealed, there was no upper limit for polygyny and many men had scores of wives, some even hundreds. Islam put an upper limit of four wives. Islam gives a man permission to marry two, three or four women, only on the condition that he deals justly with them.

        In the same chapter i.e. Surah Nisa verse 129 says:

        “Ye are never able to be fair and just as between women….”

        [Al-Qur’an 4:129]

        Therefore polygyny is not a rule but an exception. Many people are under the misconception that it is compulsory for a Muslim man to have more than one wife.

        Broadly, Islam has five categories of Do’s and Don’ts:

        i. ‘Fard’ i.e. compulsory or obligatory

        ii. ‘Mustahab’ i.e. recommended or encouraged

        iii. ‘Mubah’ i.e. permissible or allowed

        iv. ‘Makruh’ i.e. not recommended or discouraged

        v. ‘Haraam’ i.e. prohibited or forbidden

        Polygyny falls in the middle category of things that are permissible. It cannot be said that a Muslim who has two, three or four wives is a better Muslim as compared to a Muslim who has only one wife.

        5. Average life span of females is more than that of males

        By nature males and females are born in approximately the same ratio. A female child has more immunity than a male child. A female child can fight the germs and diseases better than the male child. For this reason, during the pediatric age itself there are more deaths among males as compared to the females.

        During wars, there are more men killed as compared to women. More men die due to accidents and diseases than women. The average life span of females is more than that of males, and at any given time one finds more widows in the world than widowers.

        6. India has more male population than female due to female foeticide and infanticide

        India is one of the few countries, along with the other neighbouring countries, in which the female population is less than the male population. The reason lies in the high rate of female infanticide in India, and the fact that more than one million female foetuses are aborted every year in this country, after they are identified as females. If this evil practice is stopped, then India too will have more females as compared to males.

        7. World female population is more than male population

        In the USA, women outnumber men by 7.8 million. New York alone has one million more females as compared to the number of males, and of the male population of New York one-third are gays i.e sodomites. The U.S.A as a whole has more than twenty-five million gays. This means that these people do not wish to marry women. Great Britain has four million more females as compared to males. Germany has five million more females as compared to males. Russia has nine million more females than males. God alone knows how many million more females there are in the whole world as compared to males.

        8. Restricting each and every man to have only one wife is not practical

        Even if every man got married to one woman, there would still be more than thirty million females in U.S.A who would not be able to get husbands (considering that America has twenty five million gays). There would be more than four million females in Great Britain, 5 million females in Germany and nine million females in Russia alone who would not be able to find a husband.

        Suppose my sister happens to be one of the unmarried women living in USA, or suppose your sister happens to be one of the unmarried women in USA. The only two options remaining for her are that she either marries a man who already has a wife or becomes public property. There is no other option. All those who are modest will opt for the first.

        In Western society, it is common for a man to have mistresses and/or multiple extra-marital affairs, in which case, the woman leads a disgraceful, unprotected life. The same society, however, cannot accept a man having more than one wife, in which women retain their honourable, dignified position in society and lead a protected life.

        Thus the only two options before a woman who cannot find a husband is to marry a married man or to become public property. Islam prefers giving women the honourable position by permitting the first option and disallowing the second.

        There are several other reasons, why Islam has permitted limited polygyny, but it is mainly to protect the modesty of women

    • Jimmy says:

      so what has all that got to do with a man raping a child and not gettin punished for it? In this country rape of a minor is against the law an no man is above the law, an you comparing Northern Ireland to to the Middle East is hysterical and shows how uneducated you actually are, you didn’t go to school with this rapist Muslim in the article by any chance did you? No matter how you look at it Muslims are a backwards race, yes Christians have done some terrible things in the past but if we’re so horrible and disgusting why is it that England Australia America France are getting plagued by Muslim immigrants seeking a better life? Why don’t they go back to there wonderful Muslim peaceful country’s ? Was it Christians that strapped bombs to themselves and killed a whole school in Pakistan? Where do you live? I think you have been brainwashed to be honest and in reality religion in the west is a dieing past time never before have so many churches in Britain been closed then these past couple of years an in my opinion all religions should be scrapped and we should enter a new age of trying to save this hopeless human race, it is backwards people like you who. Try an justify the rape of a 13 year old girl by spouting gibberish about things you have been taught in your local mosque

      • danish shaikh says:

        WHOS SUPPORTING THIS GUY HE HAS DONE A SINFUL ACT HE IS PUNISHABLE….i am not supporting i think you havent read my all comments…..and we humans made this land difference boundaries god made the world

    • richard says:

      just goes to show that politics and religion is the problem……

    • BlueScreenOfDeath says:

      Islam – with its extreme mysoginy including the stoning of rape victims, honour killings, FGM, killing of homosexuals and apostates, to name but a few of its most atrocious aspects – is a seventh century death cult and is utterly incompatible with twenty-first century socially liberal democracy, and if we wish to preserve the last thousand years of scientific and cultural progress, Islam cannot be permitted to exist in its present form.

      Not also that the term “Religion of Peace” is incorrect, Islam means “submission”, the “peace it refers to is the peace of the grave if you do not submit to its abhorrent demands.

      Interesting to note that the only named upvote comes from yourself, incidentally…

      • SalB says:

        @BlueScreenofDeath. Stoning rape victims … doesn’t exist in Islam, it’s a revolting cultural practice to do with so called “honour”. Honour killings … don’t exist in Islam, again a revolting cultural practice from a certain continent. FGM …. zero to do with Islam, it’s an African cultural practice carried our by Africans of all religions (worth noting no Gulf countries carry out FGM). As for scientific progress do you have any idea how much of our scientific knowledge came from the Muslims? You are correct that Islam means submission …. submission to GOD.

        You have said in another comment that you know about Muslims because you live in an area with many Muslims … question: which culture are they from and how many of their practices are from culture rather than religion?

    • Geoff Taylor says:

      180 milliion hindu’s killed. men women children, during the muslim invasion of the indian sub-continent killed becuase they fought back and refused to convert to islam ‘ c;early you do not know the history of islam and how it was spread . lets not forget the muslim invasions of europe either or how it spread like a plague across arabia convert pay tax or die remember ……goat fucking imbecile

  103. gavin says:

    omg… sick court!!!

  104. Martin Oxford says:

    Thats sick And dont give shit that he did not know that sex with 13 yo is illegal Bullshit He should be deported Uk should protest us So far if u muslim u can killing ppl on London streets Now raper what next Became one of them U will be above law

  105. ladylips100 says:

    If he didn’t know about sex with girls and age limits in the UK how come he had the brains to book a hotel knowing he was taking the girl there and bought condoms as well. Im sorry but another case of playing the race and religion card to get off with things. I am now realising why there is beginning to get an even bigger divide between typical white citizens of the UK and some of the ethnic communites. It one rule for some and another rule for others. If you live in the UK you should make it your business to know what the laws are and the justice system should treat everyone the same regardless of race. I can now also recognise why we see info in the news all the time about countries in europe protesting about immigration because of decisions our publicised like this.

  106. Steelchaser says:

    Ignorance of the law is no excuse.

  107. lesleigh says:

    If all women are “worthless” then why bother having sex with one???? If it wasn’t for a ‘Worthless woman’, then where would he be? I’ll tell you…. He wouldn’t even have been born!!!!!!!!

  108. Rose Marie says:

    This guy was supposedly “sexually naive”, but the knew how to buy a condom, what it was used for and how to rape this girl. Sexually naive my arse!!

  109. Tom Ripley says:

    Find out where he lives and pay a visit. Castration is always a solution.

  110. BlueScreenOfDeath says:

    This quote from the Daily Mail article puts the position of women in Islam most succinctly:

    In other interviews with psychologists, Rashid claimed he had been taught in his school that ‘women are no more worthy than a lollipop that has been dropped on the ground’.

    Islam is incompatible with socially liberal democratic civilisation.


    • SoffyBuff says:

      You sir are a gullible fool. You should be ashamed, you as a mindless person believe anything you see on the media. This may have been done but remember it was a teacher who taught the pupil ‘women are no more worthy than a lollipop that has been dropped on the ground’ not the religion. Now… don’t get confused between opinions and facts, for a fact in Islam, they value women and no where in the Quran does it state “Women are worthless” so let me ask you this. How long are you going to stay trapped under the media’s control?

      • SantiagoColon says:

        After reading various comments ranging from reactionary to insane to clueless I have to agree with SoffyBuff. Correction: 85% of you are permanently gullible! You have become Sheeple! The media is for Social Engineering and they direct how you think, act and react. Its clear that he was taught from some fringe sect of ideology just like ALL religions have fringe sects of ideology. So this is more a case of an rogue individual and not religion.

        But there is a reason why this wolf avoided jail time….its in the laws.

      • BlueScreenOfDeath says:

        “they value women…”

        Yes, they value goats too; and video recorders; and cars.

        Your point is?

        You see, having spent most of my life in the North of England, particularly in the “enriched” urban areas, I am very well aware of the way that Muslims treat their women – from experience, not from the media.

        You clearly are not.

        • SoffyBuff says:

          You’ve proven you’re an utter fool. You’re ignorant as you speak of what you’ve seen in your area. How can I believe your poor comment “I am very well aware of the way that Muslims treat their women” then you say “from experience” even If I was supposed to believe this, you truly believe the small minority (0.0001%) of the Muslims in your area represent the religion?! You’re not even considering the factors such as culture and situational problems. You’re like cancer to the society to be honest. It’s people like you that jeopardise society too.

  111. WibblyWobblyZipZap says:

    Seems like a load of bollocks to me. Someone “sexually naive” plans to take a girl to a Premier Inn and remembers to buy a packet of johnnies too? I’m not too sure on the subject of women in Islam being treated as equals because I don’t quite know some of the facts of Islam regarding, but the school teaching them women are worthless seems like a pile of shite he made up on the spot in court. He should have been more educated on the laws regardless, and the girl is partly to blame too for actually going with it and, unless I read it wrong the dude was seemingly seduced by her too.

  112. Maggie Savidge says:

    I was always under the impression that “ignorance is no defence”!!!! Ie the fact that he didn’t know it was illegal doesn’t make him innocent!

  113. zoie says:

    I hope some christian vigilanti kills this disgusting piece of shit! They shit all over our religions, and shit on our laws. They dont give a fuck about anything. They take what they want when they want with no concern who they hurt in the process. They think anyone non muslim is beneath them. Funny they dont rape muslim girls. I guess its acceptable because their profit mohammed was a sick peadophile fuck as well. Fucking sick dogs. We will eventually be given 2 choices convert or be killed. They escape their shitty countries for better lives come to christian countries and try enforce their bullshit cult on everyone else! Time to wake up people make a stand now before they completely out number us!

    • Nathaniel says:

      White British men are responesable for the majority of rapes and sexual attacks in this country, yet they don’t seem to catch your attention. These alleged members of a Christian state by your standards deserve the death penalty at the hands of Hindu or Buddhist vigilantes. As much disgust as I feel after reading this article wishing death upon him makes you as uneducated as the subject in question. Racism and sexism are concepts passed on from people that should know better. You are both an idiot and the reason this country is doomed.

      • karen gozra says:

        yes but if caught they go to jail nathaniel, then they end up on the sex offenders register, this young man has pulled the wool over the judges eyes and got off scot free,

      • Julian Cooper says:

        I guess you have been living in a hole for a few years, I guess you never picked Ched Evans up on your radar. You first line shouldnt come as a surpise should it? After all this is Britain is it not, changing yes but still just about. We can revisit this in 25 years.

  114. matt says:

    send the little piggy to gaol so he can get ass fucked everynight-he may then grasp the concept of rape…

  115. f**ked says:

    Under age sex is under she sex!! Send him to prison n then dead him bk home!!! What about his victim/s!!!!!! It be different if it were somewhere else!!!

  116. Realistic says:

    It’s amazing that so many people are falling for this storyline. What a gullible country we live in. Ignorance of the law is not an excuse, do you really think a Judge has stopped a rapist from going to jail because he wasn’t aware of the law? Or because of his religion? Both are highly irrelevant. Your religion or knowledge does not bypass the law. Although it would be a fantastic thing to commit any crime you liked and then play dumb to the rules in court. This would be the lead headline on BBC and Sky News if it had happened and the girls parents would be all over the media. It’s not even a major storyline…why? Because it’s nonsense. This is the perfect example of the control the media has. If this court case is even real…I guarantee there is about 50 reasons that this guy was not sent to prison and none of them will include his religious teachings. Wake up UK stop being so foolish and gullible.

  117. Cecelia Lovesourtroops Marble says:


  118. Georgie says:

    I cannot believe this. It hurts my heart what the world is coming to.

  119. Oh yes, terribly naïve… but he could book a hotel room. “Ignorance of the law is no defen
    ce. He should be marked for life as a child molester, his name and address published for ever and also he should report every week to the court.

  120. Noncewatch says:

    Hang all child abusers!

  121. Muhammad is Satan says:

    GREAT Prophet Muhammad ducks Jewish Cock

  122. isibeal says:

    England you are a bloody joke
    God help us all you might as well hand all your young girls on a plate To those pedophiles . Muhammad was a bloody pedophile what do you expect.

  123. Solidspine says:

    That would be like me killing Obama and then saying I didn’t know it was wrong, what a crock of crap.

  124. Ricardo says:

    My school didn’t teach me that rape was wrong my parents taught me this and my own moral being. Maybe that’s what’s wrong with this group off people,I wonder if the Muslim community will turn against him as the English culture would a paedo. I very much doubt it he will be embraced and looked after. He wants hanging by his balls the dirty bastard, she was child and him and adult end off.

  125. ishkabibbul says:

    As usual all very confusing where islam is concerned – if his religion teaches men to respect women -why didn’t he ?he knew what he was doing he booked a room with sex on his mind -having sex with children is haram -forbidden in our culture -where is the -justice for the girl?the judge ? should be disbarred and one law for all.

  126. David says:

    So now the great British law is letting a pedophile loose on the streets I’m not bothered what colour,religion,sexuality he’s a kiddie fiddler and shouldn’t be allowed in a civilised society

  127. manniep says:

    Barbarians in barbarian countries acting barbarically. But this is the UK. I guess they are sinking into barbarism, too.

    Remind me again, why we spent endless lives and treasure to rescue these people in two World Wars? Never Again.

  128. karen gozra says:

    at 13 she is a child, so it is rape i couldnt give a f*** what faith the pervert comes from, he should have been jailed and put on the sex offenders register like anybody else, if this school he attended in BRITAIN is teaching these morals to young males then it should be closed down, end of it.

  129. karen gozra says:

    how would anybody feel from the muslim community if a none muslim raped one of their kiddies and walked free, because they believed muslim women had less rights than men in their communities, well that’s what somebody told him anyway, there would be an uproar

  130. Jason Copinger says:

    When I studied the General Principles of English Law, at sixth form college, I was taught:
    “Ignorance of a law does not provide protection from that law”

    Hyperthetical example…
    If a person drank excess alcohol, then was stopped whilst driving, could not claim they ‘didn’t know’ as their defence…

    I therefore conclude, in my opinion (and what I was taught) that the ruling of the court in the article is absolutely outrageous and is it not, in itself, unlawful?

  131. nazakat says:

    This is total bull shit. If the son of bitch really belong to Muslim family, then he must know that any sexual relation between boy and girl without marriage is banned. Even Islam does not allow any relation with other woman except wife. He must get punishment if he really belong to Muslim community.

  132. Roy Meadows says:

    Is the Judge mentally retarded?

  133. Jago says:

    You do realise that Adil Rashid is an England cricket player who’s never been to court for rape?

  134. tony a parant says:

    If it was my daughter the muslim would need a court case id beat him to s polp then cut off his cock

  135. Jake says:

    Either way, when you come to OUR country you follow OUR rules our laws no matter of the religion, this is our country run by us

  136. He was savvy enough to be on Facebook. So, I’m not buying this “naive of the ways of others” bit. I also thought that ignorance of the law is no excuse. Apparently, in Britain, it is a legal defense.

  137. stephanie says:

    Mmmm doesn’t really sound like rape to me. She was texting and calling him for two months prior and went to a hotel alone with him, and though she’s only thirteen I doubt she was oblivious to what the intentions were. Yes she’s very young, but I knew kids in school that lost their virginity to each other at 12 and 13. Really he should be placed on the convicted sex offender list for having sex with a minor.

  138. Oh look, religion strikes again. If it isn’t being used as an excuse to do disgusting actions, then as an excuse to not punish disgusting actions.

  139. Lynne says:

    Wtf is happening in our country where our children are not safe from these sick ‘ excuse making’ sick perverts that get let off to carry on their sick antics. God help our country.

  140. deano says:

    another perverted paki,when will the people of the uk wake up as these scumbags are getting away with too much

  141. Ali says:

    what kind of bull crap is this…. in islam you can have sex before you get married!!!!!!!!!!!

    What he did is one of the worst sins possible in Islam

  142. Al Miller says:

    I want to know if this is a fake article. Just more negative Muslim propaganda?

  143. Julian Cooper says:

    Ok so the judge says he is naive and lacked assertiveness, but he was able to chat on his mobile phone, sign up to facebook, connect and chat via facebook, book a hotel miles away, travel there, buy condoms, put a condom on (that’s a real challenge) and have sex. Pretty naive….nah. I think we should have one UK Law for all.

  144. I dont give a fuck what religion or if you grew up in a cage covered in a black sheet. can this asshole learn a lesson? he goes to a school to learn… well welcome to pedophile school, make an example of this little lying shitbag. I fuckin sure pay the piper when I fuck up EVERYTIME as a white man. so fuck this asshole cut his knob off! muslim style!

  145. and if that goof went to jail and didnt get killed or worse I’d be dissapointed in the other inmates lack of participation. loss of points for cowardess!

  146. Ah. So. If he is so naïve . Why didn’t he commit the deed at home rather than booking a hotel? Not doing it at home proves he knows what he was doing was wrong. End of. Jail the rat and cut his nadgers off.

  147. Alex Cottee says:

    Absolutely unbelievable – as are many of the arguments on here. For some unknown reason (beyond those of the darkest conspiracy theories), the bureaucracy of Europe has shaped western society into this.

    You can’t say this, or do that, or behave like this in case if offends this particular tom, dick or hazbullah. The bottom line of this, and indeed the human race as a whole, is that whilst religion is able to hold such an influence on society, and whilst people are entitled to escape prosecution for criminal activities on the basis of said religion, we will never, ever progress.

    Religion – Christianity, Islam, Judaism, whatever – is the primary cause for all grief and conflict across the globe, and in Europe today – in 2015 – this ridiculous tolerance of one of the most aggressive expansionist state religions since the days of the Crusades just goes to sum up what is entirely wrong with those locked in their ivory towers ruling the world. It’s the blind leading the blind.

    No religion should be tolerated in this way, indeed, the very concept of religion needs to be ironed out if we are ever to move forward as a species. Until that happens, I can’t see any way forward for those who place civility, service and good nature above garbled mis-translated Chinese whispers collated over the course of hundreds of years and placed together in a book and taught as fact. Or for those who trust in science and technology, who have the presence of mind to be able to conceive of a future that doesn’t involve blind faith in an omnipresent contradictory figment of imagination called ‘god’ or ‘allah’ or ‘jehovah’ or something.

    It’s not the bloody 13th century any more – why the hell can’t the world wake up?? I suppose it’s true that history is always doomed to repeat itself. Unfortunately, as the population bulges beyond the planet’s ability to sustain it, non-renewable resources are gobbled up, governments fail, and people become more and more stupid, then this is the future. Cheers.

    • Johnboy says:

      Another atheistic dope who uses the crusades to try and paint Christianity into some sort of state grabbing entity. The crusades were to regain the holy land that had been lost to invaders and eye killing pilgrims who came to visit the holy sites. The massacre of 5000 German pilgrims was one of the last straws that started the first crusade. Another thing, compared with artistic regimes of just the last century, and see how many people died with governments forcing their people to forsake the Lord. Stalin’s Russia, Nazi Germany, North Korea today. More then what religiosity had caused be far.

  148. Why is it that everyone else would have gone to jail because ignorance of the law is no excuse or defence. 18 years old living in the UK and did not know he was breaking the law, c’mon. I do not believe it one little bit. It’s one politically correct law for them and UK law for everyone else

  149. brian phillips says:

    This is not unusual in the so called British Law for all to often the penalty
    does not fit the crime . I often wonder where or how they our judges come
    too their verdicts ? ,They are certainly frightened of certain religions.

  150. john says:

    This is all loader bull shit,no where in Islam that says women should be treated like that ,Islam respect women and secondly no one is allowed to have sex outside marriage so the media try to make you believe all this rubbish

  151. tommo says:

    if it was any other country he would get his just deserts why are the judges so naive in this country you would get a stronger sentence nicking a bag of maltesers from the corner shop ludicrous is this human rights weeeeeell that’s a load of bollocks to sorry but freedom of speech has gone out of the window ?

  152. Tom Whitlock says:

    What happened to ignorantis et non excusat?? Ignorance of the law is no excuse, a tacet of the English legal system. This creates a very dangerous precident. The matter should be referred to the sentencing appeals service

  153. andypandy says:

    Lock Him up! If he (they) live in THIs country they abide by THIS country’s laws… This country is WAYYY too soft on people like this!

  154. mrsmdm says:

    How is it we have schools in Britain teaching these ideas? Providing this ‘education’?

  155. Idrees says:

    For all those bashing islam on this post ask yourselves are you guys even making any sense?1400 years ago the average expected lifespan of a person was 30 years and not 70 or 80 like it is now…it was perfectly normal for a nine year old to be married at that time…Muhammed was SLANDERED by many of his enemies can you show me a single one who ridiculed him on this point? None because it was ok at that time and now the standards of societies have changed…even the aisha was not 9 at the time of consumation wake up and stop hating we have enough hate in this world already

  156. Dean says:

    I wOnder what sentence this scummy pedophile would have got had the child been the judges little Daughter………

  157. Clare says:

    Bull, this innocent booked a hotel room and went ready with condoms – law being an ass again!!

  158. Lin says:

    I don’t give a monkeys how old Muhammad or his wife was when they had sex, that was then and this is now – can we look at things without having to refer to a bunch of fanciful old texts that have little if anything at all to do with modern society, other than a few supposed moral precepts.

    The problem here is an old one – equality, or rather a lack of it; all who come before the law should be treated just the same! However, this has never been true and never will be, despite what the judiciary claim.

    I knew from an early age that ignorance of the law was no defence, that knowledge came from parents, teachers, the Police, church etc. Along with a set of simple ethics and morals (broadly based on exposure to Judaistic/Christian concepts – not that I’m a believer in any religion). Putting that aside, I also knew intrinsically (by the time I was 11 or 12) that having sex with an under age girl was a serious offence. To claim ignorance of this fact due to upbringing points a very sharp stick of neglect at this mans parents, educators, religious teachers and wider family.

    There have been numerous cases over the last year of ‘Muslim’ paedophiles – make no mistake thats what they are – being prosecuted and sent down, far more than any other single ethnic group, what does this tell you about their views of young, immature white women, their own depravity and the excuses they put forward as their defense??

    Its outrageous that the judge in this case handed down a suspended sentence, why isn’t this obvious danger to society (esp children) on the Sex Offenders Register? – If this had been a white guy it would’ve been a whole different story and thats what angers me, this is outright racism, Political Correctness scude at 90 degrees…………….

    Its about time the Muslim community here in the UK got with the program, because in the end the rest of the population will finally call ‘enough is enough’ and the shite will hit the fan, literally!

    On a wider note, am I the only one who couldn’t give a stuff if three teenagers have run off to become ‘Jihadi wives’?? Just one more reason why you guys need to take a long hard look at yourselves and the sort of parents you are.

    Some might view what I have written as racist, its not, its the view of a middle aged guy, with few if any political leanings, who’s sick to the back teeth hearing and reading about stories like this week after week knowing that my so called government is doing nothing to combat this insidious growth within our communities. As a former soldier I regard myself as a patriot, if you regard the above as being a racist, I plain just don’t care, its your problem not mine……….

  159. Du Duu says:

    very nice, create lies and spread them around let racism and hatred rise between people, that wont lead to any disasters

    • Lin says:

      Du Duu, what lies??? The guy admitted the offence in open court, in the UK, where there is at least some hope of a fair trial… It was NOT some Banana Republic, where an outraged mob would’ve just as likely hung the accused from a tree – which is no less than he deserved; unless of course it was muslim mob, in which case then the victim, a young girl, would’ve been stoned to death as a whore and the guy let off scot free…… What sort of twisted justice is that, nothing short of a disaster already – thats what…. I haven’t heard of a single ‘Baptist’ suicide bomber blowing up a mosque yet, and I doubt I ever will….

  160. m says:

    crime is crime,, law is law,, ignorant should be punished more,, common sense is not taught ,, if he can book a hotel room,, he is smart enough to know not to rape or have sex with 13 yr old

  161. Don says:

    Do the crime do the time

  162. Kerry robinson says:

    Regardless of race or religion or whatever other excuse anyone can come up with, in the United Kingdom you are governed by the uk law, it is illegal to have sex with a 13 year old!!!!!!

  163. Peter Cawte says:

    It appears to me that all British schools (comprehensives & private) come under the laws that state that they can not refuse admission to a child because of religion.
    I went to a private boarding school which is a Christian establishment, but several of my immediate friends were Muslim from different countries. My best friend there was & still is a practicing Jew.
    So how is it these Islamic schools are allowed to only take Muslim pupils?

  164. Selina says:

    Why the hell should his religion have any staid as to the law. You have sex with a minor you should be sentenced as you have had sex with a minor. Ignorant or not “I’m sorry, I didn’t know” is a piss poor excuse and would be laughed at in any other situation.

  165. John says:

    Just jail the lying little toad!!!!!

  166. David O'Driscoll says:

    How do the stinky Muslims get away with this stuff. Their entire religion is a joke. Their prophet Muhammad was a sodomizing boy molester. This piece of horse dung should be convicted of rape and sent to prison. The school that taught him should be closed and burned to the ground with the teachers inside. He knew what he did was wrong but didn’t care. Send all of these sand people back to their horrible backward smelly countries, They do not belong in a civilized society.

  167. oberon krypt says:

    Ignorance of the law does not excuse one from the penalties for breaking it.

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